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Baby steps! Thanks Ceri for doing it right and teaching some of us along the way...


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Just curious ceri. i haven't done a waterbased lacquer finish yet. Why the 2 different sealers? I have used either a vinyl sealer or a sanding sealer in the past, but never used both on the same project. I have some water based lacquer and sanding sealer, to do a project with (hopefully soon,) but I hadn't planned on using avinyl sealer under it.

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Just curious ceri. i haven't done a waterbased lacquer finish yet. Why the 2 different sealers? I have used either a vinyl sealer or a sanding sealer in the past, but never used both on the same project. I have some water based lacquer and sanding sealer, to do a project with (hopefully soon,) but I hadn't planned on using avinyl sealer under it.

Ah: very reasonable question.

On the one hand it feels to me from other situations that the waterbase sanding sealer has a lesser tendency to sink into the timber than nitro - which is a key reason for using vinyl sealer under cellulose. But I think it still sinks a bit, so there is that purpose.

Also, I want to seal that stain in and not have it leach upwards into the lacquer even a little. Another point.

But the crucial one in my mind was the glue joins. This guitar has rather a lot of those, not least the center seam and edges of that sycamore top. I don't know how vulnerable those are in reality to a waterbased finish - and I don't want to find out, having to my surprise got that top glued on successfully.

So the vinyl creates a waterproof seal over the glue lines and means I can do whatever I feel like over it with merry abandon.

I was worried about adhesion issues applying a waterbased finish over the vinyl so contacted both manufacturers for advice (something they are usually more ready to give than people often realise - a handy resource). They both said it would be OK - and so far there don't seem to be any problems. I expect that has to do with the fact that you could also describe my waterbased finish as acrylic based. So we have one type of plastic over another.

Seems to be working out - but I'll be ready to show it if I run into difficulties.

Twelvebar, if I remember right you have Stewart-MacDonald's waterbased product, is that right? I have no idea what plastic or other that might be made from. Any clues? I'd love to give their one a try, but the idea of shipping tins of lacquer trans-Atlantic just seems ethically wrong, somehow... :lol: (As well as stupidly expensive.)

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And to russianracehorse - but nobody ever tells you it's unlucky when that doesn't happen, do they? Not aware of any cultures around the world where they go about feeling depressed cos they didn't get peed on by a bird... :lol:

Sure they do. They say, "Man, I'm really pissed off!" 8)

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I think I'm going to get a pigeon pen (with pigeons) and move into it. I'll be covered in bird crap in no time and consequently luckier than king Farooq.

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Little to show today (and it will be like that often whilst finishing).

Having let the lacquer harden overnight I knocked it back with wet-and-dry paper thoroughly soaked, and with a little detergent in the water to aid lubrication:
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The slurry that produces is thoroughly cleaned off to give a surface ready for more lacquer. At which point it looks like this:
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Careful to stop wherever we get close to the vinyl sealer underneath the white-tinted sanding sealer. The white really helps you to see what you're doing with that!

Next I sprayed a couple more thin coats of white, which I will sand back again tomorrow. Gotta keep doing that cycle till we have a perfectly smooth surface. That way we need as little top lacquer as possible to build our flat mirror finish, so the total stays as thin as we can make it.

I didn't get to photograph the latest spray coat in daylight so we'll look at it tomorrow.

Now I'm off out to the flicks to see the new Ian Dury film, Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll. I presume Ian Dury is unknown west of the Atlantic - a London pub rocker who hit the big time late '70s in the UK and Europe and is famous as the fella who coined the phrase... Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll. Also, he is one of the few such people I actually knew a little personally, so I can't wait to see how they portray him in the movie...

So for now: that's all folks - C


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Now I'm off out to the flicks to see the new Ian Dury film, Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll. I presume Ian Dury is unknown west of the Atlantic - a London pub rocker who hit the big time late '70s in the UK and Europe and is famous as the fella who coined the phrase... Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll. Also, he is one of the few such people I actually knew a little personally, so I can't wait to see how they portray him in the movie...

I love Ian Dury! I didn't know there was a film about him--you'll have to give us a full report.

By the way, you and your build threads are among my "reasons to be cheerful." There ain't half been some clever bastards. :shock:

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Hey ceri, yeah we are aware of ian drury here. it always amazes me how well known some people we assume only have local celebrity really are.

Anyway, back on topic, yeah i still have the tins of stew-Mac waterbased.

it's also an acrylic based lacquer. (acrylic co-polymer to be precise,) They don't actually manufacture it themselves. it's rebranded Target Coatings brand. i wish I had known that when I ordered, as i could have sourced iy locally for less money, and also saved the shipping charges.

that's interesting that you say you sealed it to protect all the glue joins. One thing I am planning on using it for is the mexi- P-Bass i stripped down. it is a multi piece body with veneer caps on it, so I wonder if i should seal it with vinyl sealer too.

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Hey ceri, yeah we are aware of ian drury here. it always amazes me how well known some people we assume only have local celebrity really are.

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I love Ian Dury! I didn't know there was a film about him--you'll have to give us a full report.
By the way, you and your build threads are among my "reasons to be cheerful." There ain't half been some clever bastards. :shock:

Get outta here! Who'd have thunk?

Well, here's the movie: http://www.sex-drugs-rock-roll-thefilm.com/ . Having now seen it I can say I enjoyed it a lot, and Andy Serkis (Golum in Lord of the Rings) totally, totally nailed the part. Apparently he even wore a leg caliper for most of a year and the muscles in his left leg visibly withered as a result. That's method acting taken to the ultimate!

He also rerecorded all the music with most of the original band, and again they did amazing facsimiles of the originals.

On the other hand, as rock & roll films go I can't really imagine this one would be of any interest at all to someone who doesn't already know the music well. And a lot of the enjoyment is nostalgia value for those of us as lived through some of the times and places. So probably not a must-see for most here.

For the record, I was working in menial jobs backstage in a theater mid-'80s when Ian Dury's musical career was winding down and he was trying to make the cliche move into acting. He was in a couple of shows we had and I knew him to chat to a bit. My best friend then and now worked there too and was much more chummy with "the talent" and went drinking with that crowd a lot after hours. I was just chatting with him yesterday and he had horrible stories about how amazingly obnoxious Dury could be with pills and booze inside him - or without. That stuff comes out in the film!

And if anyone does see that film a significant character is Dury's minder, a gigantic gentleman by the name of Strangler. I knew Mr Strangler for a short time: an astonishing fella who combined great charm, gentleness and extreme violence in one terrifying package. They very much toned him down for the movie...

8) - C

PS Twelvebar, you know what I'm going to say - we want pics! :D


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Another day - but nothing much to show more than last time.

I sanded and I sprayed. I still think it will take one more day's work to have the surface absolutely smooth - which is worth the time now because it saves so much effort later.

Look at the photos in the last picture post to see pretty much exactly what happened again today. Meantime, I've been struggling to find something to point the camera at to pass the time for you. Erm, well...

I belatedly realised that having masked the front with a sheet of card it just might happen that a little white build coat could find its way through the holes from the back and discolor my staining on top. Small bits of masking tape dealt with most of that, but I also made a little card lid for the block cavity to stop spray getting through, along with a handle to pull it out again after:
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Here's the control cavity cover getting sprayed (both sides). Matchsticks in the screw holes to handle it by and help stop too much lacquer building up in those holes, which might get cracked by the screws later (though I don't seem to have matchsticks in all the holes in this pic. They are normally in there):
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Here's the cover in place. While it has been painted separately it hasn't had quite as much lacquer and so is currently a slightly different color. We'll correct that shortly:
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I don't think the build-up of lacquer around the edge of the cover and cavity will be enough to effect the fit, but just to be sure I am sanding it back a touch to keep everything as sharp and tidy as possible:
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And finally, the paint allows you now to see the contoured heel more how it is intended to be:
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All I've come up with for now. Hopefully the white undercoat will be done by tomorrow. Tedious, ain't it...?

Cheers - C


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Hi Ceri,

Thanks for the fix. Nice work as usual, and my excitement is building to see the finished product.

By the way, I am going to purchase a heat-gun with some credit card reward points that I will have on Jan 30th. I'm going to remove the finish on the red Strat body and see what lies beneath. I'll be sure to send pics as I'm going to need advice on how to proceed. I need to talk with my friend about using his wood shop and see what tools he has. I'm sure he has clamps and a router, but I'll need some instruction on exactly what to do. Maybe we'll get this thing looking like a guitar again. I'm thinking of going with a double humbucker setup if it comes to that.

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By the way, I am going to purchase a heat-gun with some credit card reward points that I will have on Jan 30th. I'm going to remove the finish on the red Strat body and see what lies beneath. I'll be sure to send pics as I'm going to need advice on how to proceed. I need to talk with my friend about using his wood shop and see what tools he has. I'm sure he has clamps and a router, but I'll need some instruction on exactly what to do. Maybe we'll get this thing looking like a guitar again. I'm thinking of going with a double humbucker setup if it comes to that.

Hi Kong: I think that is neat - kudos to you.

Regarding the router, get your friend to show you how to drive it and have a good practice on scrap wood first. Those machines are fierce and will wreck a job in a split second if you are not careful!

Nothing beats a good workshop to work in. Sigh...

Cheers man - C


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As always my friend from where the snow leopards roam, looking good! 8) :wink:


Ditto! Good to see you back in the driver's seat. Just sitt'in back and treading water, waiting for the boat to come in. :wink:

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By the way, I am going to purchase a heat-gun with some credit card reward points that I will have on Jan 30th. I'm going to remove the finish on the red Strat body and see what lies beneath. I'll be sure to send pics as I'm going to need advice on how to proceed. I need to talk with my friend about using his wood shop and see what tools he has. I'm sure he has clamps and a router, but I'll need some instruction on exactly what to do. Maybe we'll get this thing looking like a guitar again. I'm thinking of going with a double humbucker setup if it comes to that.

Hi Kong: I think that is neat - kudos to you.

Regarding the router, get your friend to show you how to drive it and have a good practice on scrap wood first. Those machines are fierce and will wreck a job in a split second if you are not careful!

Nothing beats a good workshop to work in. Sigh...

Cheers man - C


Great information, I appreciate all that I am learning on this thread!

Routing can be dangerous if you don't know what you are doing. A few years ago my wife wanted me to put a detailed edge on a wooden Santa decoration. So I bought a router and bit, attached it to a small router table, thinking that would be the way to go. I got half way done and then the bit spun off, bounced around the rafters in the garage and came to a rest under the car. I didn't see a thing but I know it must of missed my head by a couple of inches.


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