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Ceri stay away from Low Fat Creamer, there something even wrong with the sound of that.


You are so right! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've never been a black coffee man, and skimmed milk in coffee is a bit depressing too. But that creamer really was the pits!!!

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Semi skimmed all the way for me, even on breakfast cereal. I must say I absolutely hated the stuff as a kid. My mom has that 0.1%fat milk, that stuffs a real abomination.

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Park are incredible amps. In 66 Marshall took on a distribution deal with Rose Morris who really raised the price of marshall amps (by around 40% i think). This made Marshall amps far too expensive for anyone but the elite to own. So Jimmy Marshall ran another brand Park. Identical to his Marshall range except for the name tags and sold them at a more humane price. So its rose morris's fault trans atlantic people have to pay such inordinate prices for marshall gear.
I played a few Parks in my time the last time being around may. Superb beasts, sadly for me more common on your side of the water than mine. Because of the fiasco mentioned above.

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I was thinking about the problem you were having with the C-clamps slipping off and your idea of driving in a couple of nails to hold them in place. I have another solution to that particular problem. Using the drill press, fix the peice at the desired angle and drill some indents using a 3/4" brad point drill bit. Then the clamp ends would be parallel with each other eliminating the slippage.

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Hi warpfield: that is exactly right. I liked it from what you said, and adding the neat diagram makes it even clearer. Thank you. If I use that or a similar caul again I shall do just what you say; it's ideal.

The odd thing was that the slippage issue didn't show itself during my dry runs. It was only when I was screwing the cramps down hard enough to make a good glue join that they kept slipping off. So with the glue already on there a solution had to be found fast. Hence the panel pins.

I like your way better! :D

SO. How did it turn out?

...It worked:
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And the join is good all round!

Next. My plan was to use a "round-over" router cutter with a follow collar to go round the body (except where the contours would make that not work) and cut the top back and shape it at the same time:
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But. Even my average grade router is amazingly fierce and I was suddenly worried about the cutter ripping into that thin 4 mm top and causing a big lump of tear-out. Maybe that's a serious risk and maybe it isn't, but having got this far I decided not to chance it.

(You'd never have that issue building from scratch, because you'd glue the top to the body blank before the guitar shape was cut out. So you'd never have this overhanging top situation.)

So instead I planned to shape the edges with a drum sander mounted in the drill press and some hand files and rasps like the one in this pic, as well as good ol' sandpaper:
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However, in the end I didn't use that large-ish drum sander at all. I did a bit of work in the cutouts with a little drum sander (I think that one is 18.75 mm / 0.75"):
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But apart from that I did the whole thing with the previously pictured rasp and the sanding block. Weird - but I got into a kind of hypnotic trance and found myself enjoying the pleasure of shaping the edge by hand. I kept saying to myself; "I'll just do another inch or two and then put it on the machine..." :lol:

Strange, but I really enjoyed this bit of the job!

And here's where it's up to:
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Hey, how about it? :D It's beginning to look like a guitar at last!!! A quick high five...

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Two thumbs waaaay up. You'd never know what a train wreck that body was when you got it. If you apply finish as well as you work wood the body is going to be a beauty.

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Next. My plan was to use a "round-over" router cutter with a follow collar to go round the body (except where the contours would make that not work) and cut the top back and shape it at the same time:
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.....and with all that, his manicure remains untouched 8)

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Hey.. Weren't you trying to prove to me that you're not a woodworker?? Your argument has been weak from the beginning. :P

Now had you ended up with something like this:

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I would have believed you.

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"Trash Caster"

ROTFLMAO!!

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Hahaha nice picture Shredd! Trashcaster LMAO!

Ceri, i must say also once again that that is some amazing wood working there buddy. Come on sanding it all by hand, and loving it, only true woodworkers do that lol. You my friend are a true woodworker :D

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Now had you ended up with something like this:
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Oh too cool!! 8)

I just love the control plate. Seriously, that has a certain something. I wonder what the story behind it is?

BTW Shredd: would you have used the roundover cutter on the edge? I just got an instinct that said no - but...?

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Come on sanding it all by hand, and loving it...

Yeah, there was a time there where I found myself thinking; "Whadayaknow? This feels - good..." :D

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Amazing transformation Ceri. That is a really nice grain pattern. If you weren't considering a Transparent or Sunburst Finish, I hope you are now.

That grain needs to be seen.

"I got into a kind of hypnotic trance and found myself enjoying the pleasure of shaping the edge by hand."

I think that is the best part of woodworking. I love sanding by hand, no matter how long it takes. It always comes out better and smoother.

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My personal favorite tools in my shop are my chisels and planes. :wink:

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hey ceri, way to go.

yeah ive been there in that ZEN place when im working with my hands and immediate results are gratifying.

the top looks a beautiful wood grain.

thanks for my daily fix.


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ceri you continue to amaze me. this thread is easily my favorite one since i joined this forum. cant wait to see the end result!
What color are you planning on painting it?

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BTW Shredd: would you have used the roundover cutter on the edge? I just got an instinct that said no - but...?


No. First of all the router and bit are both big. You would have most definitely ended up with tear-out somewhere. On the end-grain, in grain spots on the sides, horn area, basically anywhere on the body would have been a free for all for a chunk to go flying. But also you end up with burn marks on the end-grain, and the router would have been a bear to maneuver in the contour area as well as the top horns. You'd be left to sand imperfections by hand anyway. It would have been a mess to use that router setup.

It may have been ok to run a smaller trim router with a smaller bit backward in some spots, and forward to carefully thought-out to grain direction, but once again, it would only be a first step before having to sand by hand anyway. Best to get in that CHI and just sand it by hand as you did. Because one thing's for certain, had a chunk gone flying, you weren't gonna get that top back off, and you'd be left with either a putty filled spot, dutchman spot, or back to paint-grade it goes (of course, I'm assuming you're planning on staining the top).

All woods have weak-spots, and routers are a good way to expose them, but that's not good exposure to look forward to. Sometimes, even if you run a bit in the right direction with a grain, the wood just has a week-spot, and a chunk goes flying off anyway. That's REALLY frustrating in any situation especially in the middle or toward the end of a project.

I know how you are in your humbleness about your woodworking skills. But to someone like myself, I see your work and thought process as how a custom wooodworker operates. You have to pick your battles as to when to dive right in and when to be extremely careful, and trust your own decisions. And it all comes with understanding the limitations between the tools and materials. A good common sense, patience, careful planning, and good gut feelings get you to that point. You've displayed all of those attributes and more so far during this project.

I don't even have to ask you whether you've lost sleep already over this project. I'm sure you lose a little every night just thinking if there's possibly a better way to accomplish the task just finished, and the one ahead. Hacks don't do that. Beer:30 can't come around fast enough for them, then it's lights-out.

The guitar looks nice. I'm sure it will all the way to the end. In the Reggae world the saying goes "Big up yourself". That's another way of saying congratulate yourself.

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