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Ceri, is this a veneered body?

If so, can you tell how many pieces are under the veneer?


Ah, now that's interesting. Yes, it has veneers front and back, over a five piece body. Like The Ninja I am not certain what the core timber is: either poplar or basswood, but I can't say which. I have both those trees in my garden and, have seen the inside of felled timber and... still am not sure??? :?

Anyhow, far as I know they only put the veneers on bodies that get a sunburst finish - is that right? So presumably that's how this guitar started out. But if I rightly remember Nick's own refinishing thread many months ago the paint he took off this body (and famously weighed) wasn't a sunburst - was it?

So Nikininja, can you tell us any more about the history of this Strat?

Now: next chapter coming up in a minute...

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OK, not quite such a long post today.

Here's where we got to - a big cavity excavated in the middle of the body, carrying away some of the burnt wood (but what about the rest of that charred timber, you ask...? That's the suspense element of the plot :lol: ):
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Don't know if you can see a pencil line down the side of the cavity here with the ash block placed above it. That shows how I have deliberately undercut the cavity, because I intend to fine tune the block to fit it. That's probably because I'm not really much of a carpenter. We have genuine joiners and cabinet makers amongst us on the Forum and I suspect they'd be much more confident about cutting out the cavity and block to exactly fit each other straight off:
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However, my plan is to use my cabinet scraper to finish shaping the ash block so's it precisely fits the space. Again, neat and snug but not too tight. We don't want it exerting outward pressure on the rest of the body wood; and the glue itself takes up a small but appreciable space:
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The scraper is good and sharp and removes timber quite efficiently. When we reach the point we can drop the block into position we then discover that the end is not quite square to the cavity. You can just see a small gap over to the far side, so this part too needs further shaping:
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Finally the fit seems good:
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BTW: anyone like me think ordinary non-figured grain can be pretty? Here is the underside of that block, just before it is lost from view forever:
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Well I think that's nice anyway... :roll:

After challenging the fit rather a lot I'm finally ready to glue up the cavity and block and clamp it in place. Here first is the underside of the guitar, with an old body template used as a clamping caul, because it would be difficult to screw down cramps into the tummy contour:
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And here is the block with as many cramps as I can get at it on the front, screwed firm but not too firm. The glue does the work:
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I want to leave that glue overnight, so that's all, folks.

See y'all.

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What can I say Ceri!! :D :wink: Outstanding as usual!! 8)


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What can I say Ceri!! :D :wink: Outstanding as usual!! 8)


Thanks Hop. Wish I could say the same for my typing. No matter how carefully I use the "preview" button the minute I submit the post I find a zillion typos that need editing. D'oh!

Anyhow. Let's try and work up some suspense here. Does Ceri not realise he's left lots of burnt wood on the front of that guitar? What on earth can be done to put that right?

Confused? Me too. :lol:

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Nice job so far Ceri!


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ceri,
great job.

excellent craftsmanship


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I bought the guitar new for £200 in 95. All the mistakes on the previous refinish's are mine. Its never been sunburst, it was originaly white with a grey undercoat. Lots of the dings and fills came about with me loosing my temper and kicking it around the garden at various times.

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I feel like a heroin addict needing his next fix... :cry:

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Ceri,

You're doing a great job here building some suspense: I find myself holding my breath as I'm reading... :lol:

Great thread and I'm going to be logging in regularly to read and see more...

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A total delight; carry on, Ceri!!

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nikininja wrote:
I bought the guitar new for £200 in 95. All the mistakes on the previous refinish's are mine. Its never been sunburst, it was originaly white with a grey undercoat. Lots of the dings and fills came about with me loosing my temper and kicking it around the garden at various times.


Well, that's curious isn't it? I'm hardly an expert in the field but I'm surprised to find they veneer the fronts of bodies that get solid finishes. Maybe to stop sinkage into the join lines in the multipart bodies?

I guess the lacquer can always sink a little at those points - though nobody worries about that on two and three part bodies in the American series: no veneers needed there just to stop lacquer sinkage. And MIA urethane is somewhat thinner than MIM polyester.

Or maybe they just veneer everything and then use them indiscriminately?

BTW: £200 new was not a bad price for a MIM in our part of the world in 1995. I think a Squier was over a hundred at that time...

And BTW2: I was under the impression you had this Strat from a friend? I must be mixing it up with another.
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The squire was around £139 at the time. That guitar was a squire series. It originaly had a lot of squire parts on it. Pickups, tuners, trem, pots and switch. The scratchplate was definately fender (larger than squire).

I guessed that those guitars were a leftover from the squire production at the Mexico plant prior to fenders takeover and production of MIM lines. The neck is definately MIM fender. I suspect the body was just cobbled together from offcuts and various pieces of left over lumber from the squire days. Afterall the squire body of the time is thinner than that or a regular fender. Hence the laminate to bring it up to size.


Thats my theory anyway.

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nikininja wrote:
I suspect the body was just cobbled together from offcuts and various pieces of left over lumber...


Well, I can't criticise that. That's my approach after all... :lol:

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This reminds me of the soap operas my wife used to watch on t.v. It is reminiscent of the plot where the patient who is near death (Niki's guitar body) is gradually brought back to health over a period of episodes by the brilliant young Doctor (Ceri). The rest of us are the audience who are left hanging each day waiting for the next episode. Keep up the good work Dr. Ceri. :wink:

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