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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:35 pm
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...Personally I wouldn't use a tech that tried to enforce his ill-informed opinions on me. His job is to set the guitar how you want it not tell you how it should be set and what you should do....


A profound statement!!

These hacks usually make remarks like this because their knowledge of the task is extremely limited. It is based solely upon the little bits of information the, "how-to" books and videos they try to comprehend have addressed.

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before anything is said about the tech...i have to ask.

Has your tech watched you play?

My tech (yes I dont even set up my own guitars) had me set down and play my guitars for a few minutes so he could see how hard (or light in my case) I played. He also suggested that my trem be set flush with the body, because I tend to rest the palm of my hand on the bridge (all he had to do was ask I could of told him that much).

So anyhow again I ask has he seen you play? know you? or have you said something for him to make him think you might want it that way?

I myself love it flush with the body (you would be amazed at how even the slightest touch on the bridge would make it go sharp)


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Manjha wrote:
before anything is said about the tech...i have to ask.

Has your tech watched you play?

My tech (yes I dont even set up my own guitars) had me set down and play my guitars for a few minutes so he could see how hard (or light in my case) I played. He also suggested that my trem be set flush with the body, because I tend to rest the palm of my hand on the bridge (all he had to do was ask I could of told him that much).

So anyhow again I ask has he seen you play? know you? or have you said something for him to make him think you might want it that way?

I myself love it flush with the body (you would be amazed at how even the slightest touch on the bridge would make it go sharp)


This appears to be a COMPETENT tech! Most refreshing.

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nikininja wrote:
Why not try both settings and see which you prefer. Personaly I wouldnt use a tech that tried to enforce his ill-informed opinions on me. His job is to set the guitar how you want it not tell you how it should be set and what you should do.

The fender strat trem was designed to float from day 1. Heres the original drawing for the patent.

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ive thought about floating mine purely out of tone than usage. i probs still wouldnt use the whammy bar. ive heard that floating can improve resonance and natural reverbe through the springs but ive heard that locking the bridge down with 5 springs can improve sustain?


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Its pure preference some like it floating others flush to the body..mine is slightly off the body..whatever feels right for your playing style. :D


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As far as Gilmouresque compression - I feel I should mention the MXR Dyna Comp pedal (I have one, and love it). :)

I was also a big fan of the 'flush to the body' style of trem setup, until I got my H1 Strat last year, and now I cannot imagine not having a floating tremolo!

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I guess the one thing I that needs to be asked is, Do you think you will use the Tremolo? Because if you have no plans to use it, then flat is a good way to go. It is best to try it both ways, but does takes some work to re-adjust the intonation and the saddle heights.

I love do dive with the tremolo so I float most of mine, but one thing cool about using 5 springs (hey someone might disagree with this, but) and then making them tight, it can make the Strat have some cool harmonic resonance. Some notes will actually make the springs ring. I love that on some of my Strats, and something a Tremsetter kills to a certain degree.

Have any of you guys ever just pick up your Strat and hit the body with the palm of your hand and listened to the springs? Pretty cool thing about Strats. OK, I know I am speaking to the choir here! :lol: My Clapton Strat rings pretty cool.

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Xhefri wrote:
Have any of you guys ever just pick up your Strat and hit the body with the palm of your hand and listened to the springs? Pretty cool thing about Strats. OK, I know I am speaking to the choir here! :lol: My Clapton Strat rings pretty cool.


Apparently when designing the EC Signature guitar,he had it set up with a blocked 5 spring vintage trem/bridge set flat,(my favorite Strat, by the way), as opposed to a hardtail.

He is quoted as stating that he believed the springs lent something to the tone that a hardtail did not possess. Though it always puzzled me that the original Blackie did not have a blocked trem.

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I personally like it flat, and I prefer a floyd set up because they are great to dive and return to pitch perfect tuning. It's a bummer they arent that popular these days. My next strat will no-doubt be a floyd Hss

You can dive on a strat, though you wont be re-assured of the stability of the tuning.

With a floyd, you can take the dive bomb to nuclear territory- get those strings flapping in the wind like the country flag, and return to perfect pitch no sweat.

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I would guess the music you play would play a part. If you like to rest your hand on the bridge like I do having it float will cause the notes to go sharp with to much pressure. I would say your best bet right now would have it set flush as for the reasons other guys have already stated.


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Post subject: Re: Bridge floating or flush
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I have American deluxe strat 2005 with 2 pivot american series trem. Since purchase in 2005 till 2019 I used it with factory settings on bridge, this means floating. Recently I changed position of the bridge to flush with body for reason the guitar stay completely in tune during double bending. In "flush with body" position this not happend, still other strings flatten a bit, may be a little less than when the bridge floats. But this was not a problem with bridge floating.
But the main line of it is that I heard significant difference in playability and tone. I'd say so significant that I the same day changed the bridge back to floating position (1-1.5 mm raisen off the body). In floating position of bridge when you pick the strings the springs equaly react to this. This results in some kind of response from springs and you feel it with fingers and in tone. Also with bridge floating the tension of strings is somehow lower, may it's not tension but the feeling, but anyway it's easier to play, this response from springs is bouncing and I love it.
When it was flush with body everything was dull and strong, heavy, not rich. There wasn't that richy bouncing spring respone when bridge floats. 200% on my guitar the bridge always will be floating.


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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:10 am
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If theres one thing that always intrigued me about the Stratocaster is how the synchronized tremolo system is a balancing act. When setup correctly, it's like a teeter-totter. Spring tension equaling spring tension. My guitar doesn't go out of tune due to using the tremolo. It goes out more due to new string slippage or hard playing and heavy string bending. Not much. Just normal amounts. Only one or two strings. Or a bump of the tuning keys during transit. One thing about floating is resting a hand on the bridge while playing is not going to work. I've changed my technique long ago to accommodate a floating bridge. It seems more natural and advantageous to play this way. Less arm fatigue as well. I have a lot to say on this subject. Then again, if EC decked and blocked it, who can say one way is better than the other? In the end it is a preference. Hardtails anybody? Whatever inspires you to play is the best way to setup your instrument.
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Post subject: Re: Bridge floating or flush
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fenderguy4life wrote:
... Hardtails anybody? ...


Indeed so, I love mine and would certainly consider another if they were more readily available.

My other Strats are decked and aside the tactile feel it gives with a slight lift on a big bend (which I like) I am frustrated that I carry around all this extra weight and complexity for no real reason.

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Post subject: Re: Bridge floating or flush
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:14 am
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fenderguy4life wrote:
Then again, if EC decked and blocked it, who can say one way is better than the other?

He didn't block it.
The trem on Blackie was decked by using 5 springs and turning the claw screws so that the back edge of the claw reached the end of the back cavity. No block used.

Edit - I should have read the thread properly, not skim read it. :oops:

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Post subject: Re: Bridge floating or flush
Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:19 am
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Yes, a lot of people (me included) go the 'flush' route for tuning stability. The bridge was intended to be 'floating'. For you, as a beginner guitar player who will be using trem (even a little), I would suggest floating; just know that you have a 'plan B' if you have tuning issues with that setup.

To nikininja -- It seems like it has been a long time since I have seen a post from you (I may be wrong, though, on that assertion). Either way, it is nice that others from the psychic wars are still around. Hope you are well, bro!

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