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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:23 am
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HOW MANY GUITARISTS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB?

Hundreds -- One to change it, and the rest of the Fender Forum to rip the guy who changed it, and to explain how much better they would have done it.

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I thought he was a comercial pop musician first and that his dabbling with blues was just something he does to allieviate the boredom.

It always seemed that way to me. He just wants to make money.

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I don't know if I'd see him in concert, but I'd definetly love to see the John Mayer Trio live. :lol:


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I caught him on his continium tour and it was enjoyable because he played most of the stuff from that album and from the trio stuff.When he broke into his pop stuff , i was bored to tears, i saw that the 10-15 year old girls werent though.Eventually he will probably be another "also ran ".


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Well I call his moves business savy. His goal is to make a lot of money and he is hitting a right "notes" to do it. Theres a lot of people in the corporate world that do not have a clue to do anything productive but they certanly know how to "solo on that scale" to come on top.

Not defending him or accusing I am not a fan of his but I like the composition of hid "Belief" and "Slow dancing in the burning room". Total pop but what a heck, good tunes.

BTW he will have two signature guitars with many sub types from fender (that is the company darling).


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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:44 am
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personally,
im a fan of john mayer, even songs that dont move my interior metronome
i still listen to his progression, at times very interesting.
as for his new album, i probably wont buy the cd. however i saw his concert on fuse, he says in the begining its not within the same energy level as continnum and where the light is. it sounded like a jam with the band, some of the solos were off key by a little.
when he did why georgia, his acoustic was drowned out by his comrad.

you know he is a musician, and he is producing music. his 1st song sounded like something that coldplay would do.

this reminds me of when metallica made reload, after black album.
man alot of fans were ripping a new one.

i probably wont like his new stuff that much, but i wont write the guy off.
hell be back.


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01GT eibach wrote:
HOW MANY GUITARISTS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB?

Hundreds -- One to change it, and the rest of the Fender Forum to rip the guy who changed it, and to explain how much better they would have done it.

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I agree with you 100%. I like Mayer, he is not affraid to try different things and thats what he is doing. How lame would it be if he made the same album over and over again. He is an excellent musician and guitar player. Its easy for people who have never made an album to tear down someone who has. He is putting out good music and i respect him for that.


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Although I'm not a fan of his any way, shape or form, I can clearly see what he's doing. He's going where the money and longevity in the business are.


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I never considered him a Blues guitarist.

He's first and foremost a pop musician. IMHO He doesn't pull off the power trio thing very well either. I think Buddy Guy, Clapton and BB King hang with him just because he's popular and it keeps these fine Blues musicians in the limelight with the younger crowd. They really don't need him around. I'm tired of reading how much weed he smokes and his love life too.


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I think he has talent. That's such a general statement, as I'm sure ALL of us on this forum have talent.

It seems meaningless to say that he's in it for the money, who isn't? And if you can name some artist who isn't, they sure as hell wouldn't mind getting a platinum single, you know? Just look at John Lennon, saying that we should "Imagine no possessions", when he had over 100 million dollars and a mansion at the time. Rediculous.

I've heard good John Mayer, and I've heard bad John Mayer. He's no legend, and doesn't deserve a signature guitar, but hey! You think Fender could be in it for the money too? I think so.

Just my .02. :]


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63supro wrote:
Martian wrote:
Although I'm not a fan of his any way, shape or form, I can clearly see what he's doing. He's going where the money and longevity in the business are.


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I never considered him a Blues guitarist.

He's first and foremost a pop musician. IMHO He doesn't pull off the power trio thing very well either. I think Buddy Guy, Clapton and BB King hang with him just because he's popular and it keeps these fine Blues musicians in the limelight with the younger crowd. They really don't need him around. I'm tired of reading how much weed he smokes and his love life too.


+1 Couldn't have said it better myself. It also sickens me when I hear him mentioned in the same breath with SRV.


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Songwriting, guitar playing, and singing are all seperate skills that many of us struggle with trying to do just one well. The fact is that he does all three at a very high level. The dude is ridiculously talented. That is true whether you like him or not, or whether you consider him a "bluesman" or not ...

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01GT eibach wrote:
Songwriting, guitar playing, and singing are all seperate skills that many of us struggle with trying to do just one well. The fact is that he does all three at a very high level. The dude is ridiculously talented. That is true whether you like him or not, or whether you consider him a "bluesman" or not ...


That's really your opinion, I disagree and that's just my opinion. I don't consider his playing or songwriting or his mumbly arsed over face making vocals high level at all. The guy does succeed and making the little girls all excited though. :roll:

I've heard his style a million times before. He brought nothing even remotely new the the table. Especially in the tone department.


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I like Mayer, but to me he is a pop musician. Watching his concert on Fuse the other day, my wife and I commented several times how his singing and guitar playing seemed out of tune.


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I have never really cared for John Mayer. To much of a pop sound even through his blues phase I could hear a very strong pop influence.
Comparing him to SRV, Jimi, and EC just made me dislike him even more.

Granted he can play guitar. He just needs to stick with what he is good at and that is playing pop. Leave the Blues to those that are good at it and do it naturally.

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OK We can let it rip now after all of the beaten' s I have taken whenever I have criticized the Fender Golden boy Mayer on the forum it seems he has cut his own throat.

My biggest problem with Mayer was always trying to figure out who the real player in him was. When he first came onto the scene he totally ripped off Dave Mathews sound and playing. In fact I thought his first three hits were Dave Mathews. I even think those early songs might of been his most impressive guitar work as the chord voicings were very complex and not your run of the mill inversions, but then again just like Mathews.

I read an interview where he said he did that because he is a rock blues guitarist at heart and had to satisfy the record label and get himself in a position so he could play what he really wanted. To be honest I was looking forward to his first album with the trio and rushed out to get it when it came out. After three listenings I have to say I was very unimpressed, forget two or three there was not one song where he really cut loose and impressed me as a player. He has fine song writing skills that I will give him.

Now a while back I read he wanted to make a pop album in the vein of all things American Idol which sent me for a loop. The last time on the forum when I brought up the 83 custom guitar the Mayer legions came after me like I was Frankenstein in the old 1930 flicks when you saw the whole village out with pitchforks, torches and axes lol so after that I just toned it down on him.

So now it seems a lot of guys who posted and are very disappointing are the hardcore Mayer fans themselves. Well all I can say is the guy is talented but in my world of guitar playing is nothing special at all. I mean are there any great riffs or solos that he has left behind or any trade mark licks=NO the most impressive aspect of his playing was his rhythm work early on other than that he has never done anything me or three quarters of this forum could not play. If this was the 60s,70s, or 80s his playing would not even be mentioned the way Springsteen or Tom Petty are never mentioned for there guitar playing though they are good players.

Most of the guys who have artist series guitars have left footprints in the sand and have many many riffs, licks and solos that people try to emulate or incorporate into there playing. When you think of Clapton being 20 years old when he did the Beano album or Vanhalen 22 when his first album came out and Hendrix dead at 26 it is mind blowing.

I still stand by what I said a few months ago, take some modern players his age like Kenny Wayne Sheppard, Joe Bonamassa or Derek Trucks and through them all on a stage with Mayer and I really dont like to talk about playing music as being competitive but those goes would totally smoke him and I stand by that statement 100% If Joe Bonamassa did not switch and get an endorsement deal with Gibson as the guy was a Strat player for years he would be the darling of the young guys on the forum as he has sick chops and is a killer player. Mayer just showed himself to be a talented guy who is going where the money is. Do not be shocked when some hip hop shows up on an album because it is coming, and you can take that one to the bank to.


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