John Mayer - No Longer Guitarist

jromanov · **Posted:** Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:20 pm

dbr2026 wrote:

I apologize to anyone I may have offended and even to Romanov. What we have is a difference of opinion. I am not a hater for mine and you are not wrong for having yours either.

dbr2026

I appreciate the apology, and offer my own in return. The "List" of John Mayer "accomplishments" was intended to be humorous. It was "satire" designed to make people laugh. Wether or not we "like" John or not had no bearing on the list. It was supposed to be funny. The only reference to John as a guitarist was that "he plays better than us". This is most likely true.

"Don't be a hater" is a common urban expression used to reflect jealousy of someone else's success. IMO, we all agree, that like him or not he is successful. I most certainly was not inferring that you personally were a hater, but the masses in general.

Thanks
Noodles

01GT eibach · **Posted:** Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:52 pm

jromanov wrote:

... The "List" of John Mayer "accomplishments" was intended to be humorous.

It was, dude.

jromanov wrote:

The only reference to John as a guitarist was that "he plays better than us". This is most likely true.

That is likely what has some people's panties in a knot. It challenges their perception of their guitar reality.

jromanov wrote:

"Don't be a hater" is a common urban expression used to reflect jealousy of someone else's success. IMO, we all agree, that like him or not he is successful.

Knowing this group, I doubt even that could draw a consensus...

bluesguitar65 · **Joined:** Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:56 am **Posts:** 1277

Ryan3985 wrote:

I have been a big fan of John Mayer and thought he had a good chance of being an all time great guitar player. After his cd Continuum, I thought his career was going to move more and more towards making great blues/rock/pop that would influence a younger generation to forget all that r&b rap crap that taints our society with just plain pure &hit.

However, i just picked up his new album and it makes me almost sad that someone who can play the guitar so well and passionately has moved more towards pop/r&b &hit.

Sure there are a couple spots where he still plays a nice lick here and there, but nothing like he should and could be doing.

He moved away from his strat to dabble around with some other types of guitars, and that's fine, but I would say as pf right now John Mayer is no longer a blues artist or guitarist...just another carbon copy record label pawn. Im guessing his next cd will have him on the cover with some gold teeth and slapping a hookers butt.

So much for this guitarist.

[/rant]

Sorry to say this, but IMHO I never consider Mayer much of a guitar player to begin with. Virtuoso guitar he is not, but an a very exceptional song writer he is. So what is it about his guitar playing that you regarded him hilgly on that other better young blues guitarist like Joe Bonamassa, and Derek Trucks...just to name a few, that Mayer has and they don't?

bluesguitar65 · **Joined:** Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:56 am **Posts:** 1277

jromanov wrote:

dbr2026 wrote:

I apologize to anyone I may have offended and even to Romanov. What we have is a difference of opinion. I am not a hater for mine and you are not wrong for having yours either.

dbr2026

I appreciate the apology, and offer my own in return. The "List" of John Mayer "accomplishments" was intended to be humorous. It was "satire" designed to make people laugh. Wether or not we "like" John or not had no bearing on the list. It was supposed to be funny. The only reference to John as a guitarist was that "he plays better than us". This is most likely true.

"Don't be a hater" is a common urban expression used to reflect jealousy of someone else's success. IMO, we all agree, that like him or not he is successful. I most certainly was not inferring that you personally were a hater, but the masses in general.

Thanks
Noodles

I can post some youtube videos of some unknown guitar players that exhibit much guitar playing mastery that I have yet to see John Mayer perform. There is a thread relating to this topic in the fenderlounge that have unknown guitar players.

dbr2026 · **Posted:** Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:25 pm

Mayer, even I can admit has his moments. I had this saved in my Youtube favorites. I think we can all somewhat enjoy this? This is one of his better moments I think, at least from all I have seen and I HAVE given him a chance and listened to as much of his stuff as I could, like I try to do with most artists before formulating an opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv6J2aQo2rk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJzIEUpUIbI

This should lighten the mood and given both the fans and naysayers something to enjoy, whether you're grooving along with it or thinking "man BB just schooled this guy".

Ryan3985 · **Joined:** Fri May 29, 2009 5:41 pm **Posts:** 623

walker.rocker12 wrote:

i happen to beleive that his pop culture status is relevant as it pertains to this thread. It demonstrates his level of success. the bottom line is that this debate will never end because it is based 100% on opinion. no matter how many FACTS anyond tries to discuss it wont matter because it is up to an individuals opinion as to whether they agree or disagree.

So according to your post...

Brittney Spears is succesfull therefore a good "artist"
Lil John is succesfull therefore a good "artist"
Lady GaGa is succesfull therefore a good "artist"

No.

Success does not mean your are good at what you do.

Ryan3985 · **Joined:** Fri May 29, 2009 5:41 pm **Posts:** 623

bluesguitar65 wrote:

Ryan3985 wrote:

I have been a big fan of John Mayer and thought he had a good chance of being an all time great guitar player. After his cd Continuum, I thought his career was going to move more and more towards making great blues/rock/pop that would influence a younger generation to forget all that r&b rap crap that taints our society with just plain pure &hit.

However, i just picked up his new album and it makes me almost sad that someone who can play the guitar so well and passionately has moved more towards pop/r&b &hit.

Sure there are a couple spots where he still plays a nice lick here and there, but nothing like he should and could be doing.

He moved away from his strat to dabble around with some other types of guitars, and that's fine, but I would say as pf right now John Mayer is no longer a blues artist or guitarist...just another carbon copy record label pawn. Im guessing his next cd will have him on the cover with some gold teeth and slapping a hookers butt.

So much for this guitarist.

[/rant]

Sorry to say this, but IMHO I never consider Mayer much of a guitar player to begin with. Virtuoso guitar he is not, but an a very exceptional song writer he is. So what is it about his guitar playing that you regarded him hilgly on that other better young blues guitarist like Joe Bonamassa, and Derek Trucks...just to name a few, that Mayer has and they don't?

Like i said before, he had the chance to become a great guitarist with the skills he has...but unfortunately he would rather be on his cd cover with a popped collar looking into the sunset and sing sheryl crow type songs that will make the radio...along with all the other completely horrible radio material out there.

Fact: John Mayer is no longer a guitarist...he is a singer.

jromanov · **Posted:** Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:59 pm

bluesguitar65 wrote:

I can post some youtube videos of some unknown guitar players that exhibit much guitar playing mastery that I have yet to see John Mayer perform. There is a thread relating to this topic in the fenderlounge that have unknown guitar players.

Blues...

This is kinda the point, and certainly the reason that great guitar players really cant be discussed in these forums. There are so many great guitar players out there that it makes absolutely no difference if we like them or not. This is completely subjective, and everyone will have a different opinion.

My point was that no matter what "we" think about John Mayer as a guitar player means nothing. He is a gazillionaire, incredibly successful, and a better player than any of us complaining about how he plays.

I have been playing for more than 35 years, and play pretty well. My son has been playing for the past 15 years, was professionally trained at Berklee College Of Music in Boston, teaches guitar for the past 5 years, and plays like he's from another planet. SRV note for note is effortless for him, note for note Eric Johnson takes a minute or two and note for note Steve Vai may keep him up overnight.

My point is that virtuoso guitar playing ability (like my son's) makes not the gazillionaire. No matter what we think, or what we like, John was in the right place at the right time and is incredibly successful. We have no right to judge him, only the right to like or dislike his stuff.

Thats why "we" are posting on computer forums, and he's making bank deposits.

Just my opinion
Noodles

prolog · **Posted:** Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:15 pm

Ryan3985 wrote:

prolog wrote:

Mayer is a monster guitar player, and him putting out a CD you don't like doesn't change that.

Twenty years from now, he'll be what Clapton is now: a revered institution (and probably getting in touch with his bluesy roots once again).

oh....my...god....

i really really really hope that post was made with sarcasm intended...wow..that makes me wish this board had a "puking emoticon" available

:shock:

P.s. I can sum up what john mayer has become in one quick swipe = "sheryl crow meets dave matthews"

Grow up. Not everyone shares your tastes in music, but that doesn't make them wrong. I'm not a huge fan of a lot of Mayer's stuff, but I will never, ever dispute his playing.

jromanov · **Posted:** Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:18 pm

Ryan3985 wrote:

So according to your post...

Brittney Spears is succesfull therefore a good "artist"
Lil John is succesfull therefore a good "artist"
Lady GaGa is succesfull therefore a good "artist"

No.

Success does not mean your are good at what you do.

Ryan

Another perfect example of subjectiveness. I was actually going to use a Brittney example myself. To you (and me) Brittney is far from a good artist, To you (and me) Lil John is equally as far, and To you (and me) I don't really know what Lady GaGa is. But they are super successful because tons of other people think that they are great artists.

Thats why they make chocolate and vanilla. We can have our own opinions if we like but we can't argue the success thing can we?

Eric Clapton is by far my personal favorite all around performer. A great guitarist, great singer, great songwriter, with 40 years of success under his belt. But as a guitarist myself, I am blown away by the works of Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson, and a long list of other non mainstream players. John Mayer can't play with these guy's, but he doesn't have to. He has carved out his own piece of success and is doing just fine with it.

Thanks
Noodles

prolog · **Posted:** Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:22 pm

Ryan3985 wrote:

Lady GaGa is succesfull therefore a good "artist"

No.

Success does not mean your are good at what you do.

Grammar aside, watch Lady GaGa play some time. She's got some serious talent at the piano.

jromanov · **Posted:** Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:34 pm

prolog wrote:

Ryan3985 wrote:

Lady GaGa is succesfull therefore a good "artist"

No.

Success does not mean your are good at what you do.

Grammar aside, watch Lady GaGa play some time. She's got some serious talent at the piano.

Hey Ryan

Also meant to ask you...If you watch a Brittney show, Shakira, The Pussycat Dolls, and a long list of others with the "SOUND OFF" they are actually very entertaining!

Peace
Noodles

01GT eibach · **Posted:** Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:56 pm

jromanov wrote:

To you (and me) Brittney is far from a good artist ...

Britney Spears is likely the epitome of being an almost completely commercial construct who doesn't write her prime material, if any. But the girl's talent seems quite formidable as a performer who happens to also be ... uh ... exceptionally easy on the eyes.
:shock:

JasonSD · **Posted:** Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:58 pm

In my opinion, John Mayer is the new Richard Marx. :wink:

dbr2026 · **Posted:** Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:00 pm

01GT eibach wrote:

jromanov wrote:

To you (and me) Brittney is far from a good artist ...

Britney Spears is likely the epitome of being an almost completely commercial construct who doesn't write her prime material, if any. But the girl's talent seems quite formidable as a performer who happens to also be ... uh ... exceptionally easy on the eyes.
:shock:

I'll take her pre-Kevin Federline's kids for sure! Nowadays she looks ruffff

Edit: Nowadays NON-airbrushed she looks ruffff

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