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Ease up there billco. The burden of proof falls to you. That means YOU are the one who has to prove your method is superior. Personally I can't believe anyone would advocate drilling and dowelling. You want to remove a significant portion of the original wood and replace it with another wood leaving a visible scar and possibly chipping the factory finish for an end result that will not be significantly more effective at screw retention than the other ideas posted here and yet you figure all other ideas are half-assed?

That's just nuts. Your idea is a last resort. Period.

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Your post contains a large number of factual errors. Please make the appropriate corrections. Thank you.


PROVE me wrong in any area and I shall stand corrected. Thank you.



But Hoss, once the absurdity is removed from your response, there isn't anything left to prove. It's a given! :P


As no absurdity has been validated by your lack of proof, your statement is inane. Try harder. :roll:

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Agreed and I herewith bow out of it.

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My OPINION is based on standard woodworking 101. If you can provide an irrefutable and credible engineering report that states otherwise, I'm all ears. Until then, the proof is not mine to bear.


OK let's see if I'm getting this right. It's not OK to glue replacement wood into an existing hole and rethread it but it is OK to drill out a much bigger hole and then glue in a much bigger piece of replacement wood and rethread that while leaving very visible evidence the guitar has been hacked up. Apparently it's also not OK to use a longer screw because all the previous posts were half-assed. And that's standard woodworking 101 .... hmmm. Thanks for the update. I stand corrected.

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Do you have a felt washer between the strap button and the body? If so, take it off, that's the culprit.

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Please show where I made any of the above comments in the context you seem to think I said them in and I’ll stand corrected. Fair enough?


No. It's not fair enough. I will not go to all the work to copy and paste your statements when all that is required is to simply go back and read them if anyone was interested.

I took the trouble to read your lengthy description of dowel installation and except for the minor detail of forgetting to advise the use of a wet rag to clean up glue as it squeezes out you did a fine job of describing the repair method. Nevertheless your description is not the point nor was it ever the point. The point is you advocate serious surgery to a guitar without first determining if it is even warranted. Your method, as has been shown by others on this thread already, is a last resort when all else fails but you want the OP to just jump right in and start drilling away. That's the point.

And you have been corrected. Several times. You simply refuse to acknowledge it.

BTW, if you do go to the effort to read my posts you will see that I did not recommend toothpicks, I recommended longer screws. It's not that there's anything inherently wrong with toothpicks, it's just that I prefer to find body wood to screw into.

This is my last response to you since you have proven you do not respond to logic but prefer to make hasty judgments and take drastic action.

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...You might try mint toothpicks for a good clean sound.


I know for a fact because I read it on an internet site (so guaranteed, it's true) that if one uses mint toothpicks with a mint green pickguard, there is something in the green dye which overrides all other tone shaping factors. What happens is, not only is the player's sound good and clean but said player will automatically have a good and clean picking/fingering technique as well. Furthermore, this is the real meaning of a guitar being in, "mint condition", regardless of what many have been lead to believe in the past.

There is a 'catch' to all of this though: One must put at least one mint toothpick into the uppermost left screw hole and one in either of the bottommost screw holes of the mint green pickguard. What this does is it will ground by way of the shortest distance/path through the body's wood, the strap button screws' mint toothpicks to these of the mint pickguard, thereby linking these appliances forevermore. Without these essential installations, the guitar and the player will sound and play identically as before just as if no toothpicks were ever used. Of course, no one in their right mind would ever want to defeat such a purpose!

One more thing (same internet article): The overall speed and audible resonance of one's playing and the guitar itself can be unilaterally slowed down (if required) by installing a tortoise back plate. The best part here is, no screw hole grounding is necessary.


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This whole thing is totally out of control. Personally, I would drill and dowel as a last resort. If you slip with the drill or are not good at woodworking, I would let a tech deal with it. In the past I've used the sliver of dowel method and it never failed. I retired the guitar before it failed. I've also used toothpicks, no problem. I've repaired a threaded hole with crazy glue and baking powder. My favorite method is to use a slightly larger or longer screw. I also have 30+ year old toothpicks in my Strat. This is precisely why good, knowledgeable members leave the forum.


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