You likely should have specified the "waxed" type of floss. I've heard this one before but I admit I have yet to try it.



LOL!!

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Just think of how awesome a guitar player you could have been by now if you had only spent the last 10 years practicing instead of obsessing over pickups and roasted maple necks.

Dental wax as lube... doesn't sound too far fetched.

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"If I don't see you no more in this world I'll meet you on the next one and don't be late... don't be late." -Jimi Hendrix

Amen

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"If I don't see you no more in this world I'll meet you on the next one and don't be late... don't be late." -Jimi Hendrix

Avril earnt her signature guitar for her blistering fret work and thoughtful guitar design.

I agree with this sentiment...but only to a point. If someone has already "purchased" the instrument, then certainly it should be sold "as new" or "mint", etc.. I recently sold the Squier Bullet I purchased last year and that is in fact how I sold it, "as new". I had only played the guitar a small handful of times and I even included the original shipping container....which was also "as new", LOL!!! For the record though, I had sold it to a lady to use for a charity auction...some band from out of state was going to sign it and then it was going to be raffled to raise money for autism. Now I wasn't at the auction so I can't say for sure but I'm willing to bet that they did in fact auction the guitar off as "new" as apposed to "like new" or anything else...and I can't really see anything wrong with this.

Either way, I would point out that I think your definition is really splitting hairs a bit. You said here "And if you played it once for 30 seconds, it is not new."...if you think of things from that perspective than most guitars sitting on a show room floor would technically NOT be new. Let's face it, there are folks in and out of places like Guitar Center, Sam Ash and even the local Mom & Pop stores all day long who will sit there and play a given instrument...sometimes for quite a while (see the thread where "wankers" were mentioned), then put it back on the rack. I know I've certainly done this myself on MANY occasions over the years. For example, how many folks here went into their favorite Fender dealer and checked out those new "Road Worns" when they first came out...but didn't actually buy one? I know I was certainly curious about them (and thought they sucked afterward)! I'm sure most of the Road Worns at my local GC probably had as much as several HOURS of playing on them before they were sold as "brand new". Same thing when the Highway 1's first came out. Yet these instruments are still sold as "new"? From that very specific point of view, neither my '96 MIM Standard or my '08 Squier Standard were "new" because they were on a show room floor and had likely been played a number of times before I ever walked in...which is fine except for one problem; I never got any discount on either of them because they were "used"! LOL!!!

I wanted to point this out because it seems as though you're a bit hung up on a definition here in that "new" can only mean "from an authorized dealer" as apposed to the actual condition of the instrument itself. Let's look at an extremely hypothetical situation...let's say that someone buys a brand new guitar from someplace like Musician's Friend (or other catalog). We're talking an instrument that is indeed brand new in the original shipping carton and has -never- seen a show room floor. Now let's say that while that guitar is being shipped, said person experiences a major family crisis...lost his job for example (which let's face it...happens a lot now a days). So when the guitar arrives, instead of trying to return it to the "authorized dealer" where he bought it and possibly loosing money on shipping, the person decides to sell it right away on someplace like Craigslist. The shipping carton has not been opened, the instrument has not been played...it's as fresh as the day it went in to the shipping carton. Is this instrument really anything other than brand spankin' new simply because the person selling it isn't an "authorized Fender dealer"? Dude...let's face it...this instrument is more new than most of the instruments at that authorized dealer that may have been played -a lot- sitting on the show room floor!

This raises the question...if the person had of returned it to the authorized dealer who would have certainly turned around and sold the instrument again as "brand new", how is this really that different from the person selling it himself? Is it simply because the place he bought it from is an "authorized dealer"? It's the same instrument in the exact same condition...right? Let's say that someone buys a Strat from Guitar Center. They take it home, play it for half an hour or so and then decide they should have bought a Les Paul instead (or the wife simply beats the crap out of him for bringing home -another- guitar) so the person takes the guitar back that evening for a full refund based on GC's "30 Day Satisfaction Guarantee". Not a mark on the instrument...all the factory tags and stickers are still in place, etc.. Do you -really- think that GC is going to put that instrument back on the shelves and sell it as "used"? If they gave the person a full refund and the instrument is still in "new" condition, you can bet they're going to sell that instrument at the same price again. What's more is that if you or me were to walk in to that same store a week later, neither of us would have ANY clue at all that the instrument had ever been out of the store...the instrument would still be "new" because we're buying it from an authorized dealer, right? But wait...someone walked out the door with it? Come on dude...does it really matter?

My point here is simple (despite my rather lengthy explanation), the definition of "new" should refer to the actual condition of the instrument and isn't solely and exclusively related to the term "authorized dealer".





Now to keep this relevant to the OP's topic, I think the single biggest myth I ever heard was from a local guy who owned a Tele that was supposedly set up by the guy who used to do the setups for Nokie Edwards of The Ventures. This guy really believed that the 30 year old rusted out strings and the setup...which made the guitar -completely- unplayable...not only increased the value, but somehow made the guitar sound better! LOL!!! I sat there and asked the guy to his face how bad intonation could possibly make the instrument sound better and he just kept saying that it was because it was set up by so and so some 30 odds years before. The -only- thing I could think was that if it were mine, I'd polish the crap outta the chrome, put some fresh strings on in a heart beat, fix the setup and get that sucker playable again. What a horrible waste to leave an instrument like that sitting just because you thought the person 30 years in the past who did the setup (without any documentation I might add) increased the value....oye.

Anyways, as always these are just my opinions.

Peace,
Jim

Can I just say - EW!

- C

I once found a guy selling some wooden control knobs on the net claiming that they improved the sound.

What about the more you drink, the better you sound. and the more everyone else drinks, the better you sound.

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Its a lifestyle.....

The Smoker You Drink, The Player You Get.... Joe Walsh.....Mike

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The blues ain't nothin but a good man feelin bad.

What, that's not true? Geeez I'm screwed.

I'm afraid you have that one backwards.

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I really like all them "Aster" guitars. You know, like the Stratoc, Telec and Jazzm.

My old bands last Cd was called 'The more you drink, the better we sound'. Harmless records in chicago refused to put it out. Hows that for a very unpunk attitude from a punk label. Last I heard Harmless had ceased trading. Anyone from Chicago that can give any info?

The one before that was 'Alcoholacaust' released on our own label Vinyl Vera. Named after the singers blow up doll.

We were some gang of degenerates looking back at that. Cheers for reminding me guys.

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No no and no

And they are good to have around at breakfast because of there flavour!

One guitar myth I like is "if you buy this guitar, it will improve the way you play". In my experience the only thing that improves your playing is well playing. Practice...Practice....Practice

I also like the following myths:

1. Squier guitars are crap

2. MIM is better than MIA (or any other county of origin is better than another)

3. Rosewood is better than Maple (or vise versa)

4. Gibson is better than Fender or Fender is better than Gibson

5. Owning the exact gear as your favorite guitarist will make you sound just like them

Come on people just play and have fun.


RK

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2007 Fender Highway 1
2012 American Deluxe
2015 MIM Dave Murray HHH
2010 Fender Blacktop
1987 Fender Avalon Acoustic
2012 Marshall DSL 15 watt head

This reminds me of when I owned some samurai swords.
A friend of mine who is into swords made an offer to buy them, and he really low balled their worth.
I told him that was too low a price, and he said, "But they're used!"

My reply was that they were not used. I had never used them, they were for display.

So he said they were second hand.

So that's a long way around to say that even if the guitars are barely played--they're still second hand, and not new--just like new.

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