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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:42 am
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Sweet fancy Moses, are we not explaining this in the SIMPLEST POSSIBLE TERMS???

There's no argument. The law - not just in this case, but in most cases - doesn't give two flips what's in your heart or what your intentions are. It simply states what you can and can't do.

THERE ARE NOT TWO SIDES TO THIS. Fender owns the logo. You don't. If you use it without their permission, you're violating their trademark rights. The End.


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They are probably the same folks who, when they get pulled over for speeding, say "but Officer I had a good reason for speeding!" They are all surprised that just because they think it's okay to break a law it really isn't.

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Hmmm.... My ex-wife was like that on a lot of issues. It was a frustrating experience. Fer instance, she figured she could pull up to a red light and then turn left in front of an oncoming vehicle coming straight across the intersection after the light changed to green because, after all, she was there at the red light first so she should get to go first. That's fair, right?

Also to the guy who says his decal "wore off" ... LOL!! Yah right. Everybody knows the the principle place on any guitar for wear and erosion is on the headstock right EXACTLY where they put the decal underneath layers of clear finish. Yep, that makes perfect sense to me. Dude, that is the dustiest place on any guitar next to the crevices between the saddles. Proof positive that not much comes into contact with that part of the guitar if it's always dusty. It doesn't EVER get worn out. Yer full of it. Period.

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wow....seems like spending all this time on this board together has made all of your monthly cycles coincide! you all are taking this topic wayyyyy too serious.

it's like downloading music...something i know none of you has ever done...downloading a song here and there to listen to for your own enjoyment hurts no one and affects no one...but still against the law.

you guys need to seriously calm down, take a break or something, go drink a coke.


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you guys need to seriously calm down, take a break or something, go drink a coke.


You're damn right I haven't been downloading music. I make my living creating and retaining the copyrights on music, and my downloads are paid for.

Every time somebody is completely, utterly wrong about something, their last resort is invariably, "Whoah, calm down, take a chill, you're taking this WAY too seriously...", as if not taking anything seriously was some kind of morally superior stance.

If you owned any IP, you'd take it seriously too.


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If only the guy on Craigslist could see this thread now... :]


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Everytime I tried to delete an ad of mine I couldn't because they said there was no provision yet for doing so.


Right... you cant delete your own ad once it goes out. What I'm saying is if enough people click on the prohibited link, it will delete.


is it automatic, or does it just come to the attention of the administration/moderators and they make a judgment call?


Nope.... it is totaly at the users mercy. if enough folks flag the ad, it goes away right away. I'm not sure how many, but its not much. Maybe four or five. If the people reading this post flagged the ad you would see it go away. Oh, I was mistaken when I said you cant delete your own ad. You can using the email it sends you when you create it.

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you guys need to seriously calm down, take a break or something, go drink a coke.


You're damn right I haven't been downloading music. I make my living creating and retaining the copyrights on music, and my downloads are paid for.

Every time somebody is completely, utterly wrong about something, their last resort is invariably, "Whoah, calm down, take a chill, you're taking this WAY too seriously...", as if not taking anything seriously was some kind of morally superior stance.

If you owned any IP, you'd take it seriously too.
Well said. As a musician, which. i would assume most if not all of the members of this board are--whether professional or amateur you should be even more adamant about illegal music downloads. Especially as the industry moves more and more toward self promotion and distribution. Bands need to make money.

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The decals on my '65 were removed when I(unwisely)had it refinished 30 yrs ago,I'd want a Fender decal when I get around to getting it put back to original Fender finish and these suppliers seem like the only way to go.

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The decals on my '65 were removed when I(unwisely)had it refinished 30 yrs ago,I'd want a Fender decal when I get around to getting it put back to original Fender finish and these suppliers seem like the only way to go.


No, they're not.

If you have a real Fender and can prove it with photographs, Fender will supply you white a new, legit decal.

And once again, what you want is of no consequence in light of the law.


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Thanks Slapchop,I wasn't aware of that,I'll certainly go with the real Fender decal in that case.

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Devil's Advocate, here: If the Fender neck on my Fender guitar breaks, and I replace it with a Warmouth or another "Fender licensed" neck, is it no longer a Fender? Am I outta luck, stuck with a generic when I've paid for the real deal (price of new neck not even included)?
Licensed replacement necks aren't the real deal. This is spelled out in their licensing agreements. All it means is that these companies build necks that comply to fender's specifications, and that they are allowed to produce the protected headstock shapes.

strictly speaking once you make the replacement your guitar has gone from "fender stratocaster" to "fender stratocaster" body with licensed replacement neck.
Almost all of us would sill consider it a real fender, but technically it is only partially a real fender.



In my opinion the neck really defines my guitars, in terms of feel. I think for playability, and comfort it really id the most important part, to me. I can see why fender is so sticky on this issue.


I cant understand even if you send in your broken neck to fender as an exchange for a new one- Im sure even those willing to part with a bit of money would be happy to do so... but no. doors are closed and no-one would care to help.

Thats why there is a market for genuine reasons why people want replacement necks and or decals. because its the neck that people are after- and we are wanting it to look real- not a kitset knock-off. Unfortunately this has also started something with fake decals...

Perhaps we may like to consider Stratosphere are another example- and another customer of Fender at the same time??? something to ponder? I bet Fender makes more money off them rather than spending it to build a case against them.

Is fake decals copyright infringement? probably yes. But I think copyright infringement is something most, if not all of us are guilty of before anyone jumps on this bandwagon. Anyone ever made a mix-tape? bought dodgy DVD's in a obscure country? dare I say- illegally copied music or have some in your iTunes you got from your mate? I will raise my hand and say I'm as guilty as sin. But what is anyone going to do? nothing. I used to by CD's, then illegal downloading started and put music store chain ECM and HMV under. Now- other than iTunes- I dont have much choice nowadays.

Also-this also raises questionas on the whole "Made in USA" thing.

I also think its good for a company to not help out your genuine guy with a broken neck too- its good for revenue as you can sell him a new guitar instead and make him pay through the nose.

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guitslinger wrote:
The decals on my '65 were removed when I(unwisely)had it refinished 30 yrs ago,I'd want a Fender decal when I get around to getting it put back to original Fender finish and these suppliers seem like the only way to go.


Contact customer services mate. They will help you but require numerous photo's. Its mainly geared up for AVRI's where the decal is ontop of the necks finish. I reckon they'd be right with you though, especialy with a vintage instrument. If it comes off you'll have a real decal to go on your real fender headstock.

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Contact customer services mate. They will help you but require numerous photo's. Its mainly geared up for AVRI's where the decal is ontop of the necks finish. I reckon they'd be right with you though, especialy with a vintage instrument. If it comes off you'll have a real decal to go on your real fender headstock.

In that situation, Fender would likely sell the logo to somebody needing it, after sufficient proof of need has been satisfied. That goes for replacement necks, as well. I have seen a thread, somewhere on these forums, that explains the hoops that have to be jumped through, be it an old decal (before Fender started putting 'em under the top coats), broken headstock or broken neck. I don't remember the title of that thread, but it had some very good information about what Fender requires of the customer, and what Fender will do in exchange.

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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:37 am
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The information on how to obtain a legitimate decal for a real guitar is on this website, under "Support" in the FAQ's.

http://www.fender.com/support/faqs.php#q9

I have never understood why everyone describes this simple and straightforward process (take some photos and a pencil rubbing of the serial number, send it in, wait, get your decal) as "jumping through hoops."


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