Mr Hopkins and Mr CV

Does it really come down to "do you want a Fender or a Carvin" I know that I want a Fender and a Carvin and a Gibson and a PRS and an Ibanez and a Taylor, and a long list of others as well. Why do I have to pick only one. Is there some rule somewhere that say's you can only want one brand of guitar. How closed minded is that theory. I have 7 Fender guitars, and believe it or not I would like a few more of them. I hope that's ok. I also hope that's it's ok if I want a few other guitars that are not made by Fender.

You say "do you want a Fender or do you want a Carvin" as if it is some kind of a Carvin put down, and CV then supports that sentiment. This I think is beneath you guy's, and I feel bad that you will only get to experience one brand of guitar in your lifetime. I assure you that you are missing the boat that you seem to be following.

WOW!!!! Thats sounds like a Great collection jro. Pics please? Share with us we like to oggle and drool over guitar porn!!!!

And it does come down to what you want whther Carvin or fender no one says you have to take one over the other or one is better then the other some are some are not. They all have different models.

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CV

It will be my pleasure to post pics. I'm not the greatest at getting them linked into these posts but I will give it a try. I can't even figure out how you guy's do that quote box thing. All of my guitars are displayed throughout my home divided between 3 rooms, a music studio, family room, and pool house. I have the greatest wife in the world and she indulges my guitar obsession by allowing all of them to be displayed. It helps that my son is a professional guitarist and teacher so I often can blame the need for more guitars on him.

Pics as soon as possible
Noodles

A pointless conversation. MHO! Enjoy!
BTW you have no idea what guitars I've owned, played or like!

Mr Hopkins

It all comes down to whether you want to have a conversation or just believe that your opinion is the only one there is. I think I understand why you only want 1 guitar.

This is not an assumption?? Please!

Mr Hopkins

I make no assumptions sir.YOU were very clear when YOU wrote that my conversation was "Pointless" it was YOUR unnecessary disrespect for what we were discussing that inspired the banter. If you felt that the conversation was pointless you did not have to reply.

This is not an assumption??
Later my friend!

Can I be honest?

I think you are totally contradicting yourself. You state this thread is not about cost, it is about how Carvin will build a guitar to your options in 4-6 weeks and Fender will not.

Or rather they will, but it will be 'priced out of this world'

So which is it? They either will build the guitar or they wont???

I personally think they will build anything you want, at a price, hence the Audi/Ford analogy. It is just the price you don't like

And just to add, it is my understanding that Carvin will not bow to your every desire, rather they have a fixed list of options that you must choose from. It is not a blank sheet. However Fender will work from a blank sheet, or so I am told.

Also if the wood is the same and the paint no different, why buy a Fender in the first instance?

Mr Floyd

Just take a look at the link

http://www.carvinguitars.com/catalog/gu ... ?model=ct6

on the right of the page you will see "build and order your guitar" just for fun go through the pages and pages of options and Mock up a guitar that you might like to see. Now call Fenders custom shop and see if they will do your mock up on an American Strat.

These posts always rocket off into some other universe. I simply wished that Fender would offer a similar "design your own" option and they just don't. Sure you can call the custom shop on the phone, go over everything you would like and come to some kind of agreement on price. To try to justify this conjecture that Fender would actually do this for you is yet to be confirmed. Lots of guy's have said that the Fender custom shop will make you anything that you want....including your own "blank sheet" statement. No one has said that they have had this done, or here is a picture of my personally designed custom shop strat. I would love to see one.

Price became part of this story when I told you that Carvin will do my mock up for $1858.00 in 4 weeks delivered to my door. I wish that Fender would also do this although I don't think they will. To say that for the right price Fender would do anything is not only optimistic IMO but unrealistic as well.

You know that the wood is the same and Carvin offers dozens of paint finishes not 5 or 6 like Fender. It has nothing to do with wanting or not wanting to buy a Fender. I would be very interested to see someone's Fender Strat that Fender agreed just to do custom paint. Forget the other 78 options offered by Carvin, Just custom paint from the Fender shop on an Am Strat is all I'd like to see...anyone had this done by Fender?

Everyone yelling at me as usual (lol which I really don't mind) tells me ..."so I am told" "this is what I have heard" "they will do anything you want"...you would think that someone would say they have had this done, and here are some pics... wouldn't you?

I think really then what you would like to see is options on the American Line, pure and simple? It does seem like a good idea and one that Carvin offer, however they probably offer this as that is their model and have been operating like that for a while.

Fender on the other hand do offer this service, just not on the American Standard line, they have it in the Custom Shop. So to ask them to dilute what they do in the custom shop by offering a custom service on the American line is not going to happen.

I will give you an example here of this in a slightly different context. Marhsall have been making amps for many years, around the same amount of time as Matamp (www.matamp.co.uk) Marshall will not custom build amps for you unless you are a pro, or so I am told

Matamp however offer various options in their line and you can spec what colour tolex you want, even mods to the circuit to suit your playing. Why don't Marshall offer this? Simple one they don't want to and two, it is not part of their long standing business model.

I think you are obviously a man who stands by his opinions, and that is nice to see, and it's also nice to have an adult debate However in all honesty I cannot see this being viable for a number of reasons.

Finally the inductive statement that Fender will build any guitar is exactly that without evidence, so why not make this statement deductive and ask Mike Eldred in his forum. The answer will be straight from the horses mouth, as they say.

Thank you Mr Floyd

Although often times these discussions do seem to degrade into "debate" I prefer to consider them "animated opinion" and find this to be mentally stimulating. NEVER EVER is it my intention to be disrespectful or confrontational towards anyones opinion about anything at all.

You must admit that it is way more interesting than the "Whats Your Favorite Color Strat" or "What Gauge Strings Do You Use" Threads?

Thank you again Sir for participating with me. And If I have offended you or anyone else during this discussion, it was certainly unintentional and I do apologize.

Have a look at some of my toys that I have just posted (new thread..."I Love Strats & Other Stuff Too Pics") I hope you will enjoy them.

Thanks
Noodles

Already looked at them. Very tasty!!

Noodles,

Please carry on, life would be very boring if we all liked the same things

As I said, it is nice to discuss and debate with fellow guitar lovers without resorting to mud slinging that I witness in other forums.

It's your opinion and hey, you are entitled to it