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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:53 am
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Does it really come down to "do you want a Fender or a Carvin" I know that I want a Fender and a Carvin and a Gibson and a PRS and an Ibanez and a Taylor, and a long list of others as well. Why do I have to pick only one. Is there some rule somewhere that say's you can only want one brand of guitar. How closed minded is that theory. I have 7 Fender guitars, and believe it or not I would like a few more of them. I hope that's ok. I also hope that's it's ok if I want a few other guitars that are not made by Fender.

You say "do you want a Fender or do you want a Carvin" as if it is some kind of a Carvin put down, and CV then supports that sentiment. This I think is beneath you guy's, and I feel bad that you will only get to experience one brand of guitar in your lifetime. I assure you that you are missing the boat that you seem to be following.


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jromanov wrote:
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It is fun to play around there. I think that variety is the spice of life, and although if I could own only one guitar...it would certainly be the Fender Am Deluxe. My personal favorite. I have made that crystal clear a number of times.

But I have been lucky enough to own many guitars and I do enjoy them in several different flavors. You mentioned not bashing other manufactures, and I completely agree that people should be able to like whatever they like without someone telling them that they did something wrong and should be sent to guitar prison. Lots of manufacturers make great beautiful guitars.

You also added "not even Gibson"...I got a kick out of that. I do also have several Gibson guitars...a 1/2 dozen killer Les Paul's, a gorgeous 1957 Reissue ES 175, and my favorite Gibson ...the 1960 ES-335 Reissue. I have had some of these for more than 20 years and some of them are relatively new, but they are all really very very nice. And they have their own place and their own purpose in the world of guitar variety.

We love guitars and that's why we play them, build them, talk about them, and I have what I call a Healthy Obsession for them. How boring would it be without this wonderful variety to explore.

WOW!!!! Thats sounds like a Great collection jro. Pics please? Share with us we like to oggle and drool over guitar porn!!!!

And it does come down to what you want whther Carvin or fender no one says you have to take one over the other or one is better then the other some are some are not. They all have different models.

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It will be my pleasure to post pics. I'm not the greatest at getting them linked into these posts but I will give it a try. I can't even figure out how you guy's do that quote box thing. All of my guitars are displayed throughout my home divided between 3 rooms, a music studio, family room, and pool house. I have the greatest wife in the world and she indulges my guitar obsession by allowing all of them to be displayed. It helps that my son is a professional guitarist and teacher so I often can blame the need for more guitars on him.

Pics as soon as possible
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:12 am
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A pointless conversation. MHO! Enjoy! :wink:
BTW you have no idea what guitars I've owned, played or like!


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It all comes down to whether you want to have a conversation or just believe that your opinion is the only one there is. I think I understand why you only want 1 guitar.


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jromanov wrote:
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It all comes down to whether you want to have a conversation or just believe that your opinion is the only one there is. I think I understand why you only want 1 guitar.


This is not an assumption?? Please!


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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:33 am
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I make no assumptions sir.YOU were very clear when YOU wrote that my conversation was "Pointless" it was YOUR unnecessary disrespect for what we were discussing that inspired the banter. If you felt that the conversation was pointless you did not have to reply.


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Mr Hopkins and Mr CV

I think is beneath you guy's, and I feel bad that you will only get to experience one brand of guitar in your lifetime. I assure you that you are missing the boat that you seem to be following.


This is not an assumption??
Later my friend!


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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:39 pm
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jromanov wrote:
Greetings Mr Floyd

The original post was by no means cost inspired. It was a story about an American guitar manufacturer, in business for the past 60 years, in California, that allows you to build your own...one of a kind...custom guitar, by selecting from a vast list of personal options. Your personally designed guitar will be delivered to your door in 4 to 6 weeks.

My post was to express a desire for Fender to offer such an option.

I think that everyone jumped the gun by explaining to me how I can give Fender Custom Shop a call...tell them what I'd like and they will rush right out and start building it for me. All things being equal...FENDER IS PROBABLY MY FAVORITE GUITAR MAKER! Everyone tried to defend them as if I were bashing them in some way, and nothing could be further from the truth.

Do you really think that the Ford / Audi comparison is valid? First of all we are talking about a SOLID BODY ELECTRIC GUITAR. Here is where the post strayed to cost. You know very well that Fender is not interested in making you a guitar from your long list of personal requests, and if you could get them to do it...it would be priced out of this world.

Solid Body electric...Ford / Audi....What is really the difference between the body wood used by Fender and used by Carvin? Is the maple in Fender's neck some kind of super maple that Carvin can't get. Are those Fender pickups the ones that some super winding guy made for them? Is mother of pearl not mother of pearl? Or is it the paint? Does Fender use Vinny Van Gogh to paint the 5 or 6 colors that they offer?

The post was a fantasy wish that if Fender (our favorite builder) would offer this program, at a reasonable price, and built in a reasonable amount of time....they would have a line out the door. This would not require them to totally modify and revamp their facilities. It would require them to erect a new free standing facility for your custom builds only. Now watch how the money thing jumps right back to the forefront.



Can I be honest?

I think you are totally contradicting yourself. You state this thread is not about cost, it is about how Carvin will build a guitar to your options in 4-6 weeks and Fender will not.

Or rather they will, but it will be 'priced out of this world'

So which is it? They either will build the guitar or they wont???

I personally think they will build anything you want, at a price, hence the Audi/Ford analogy. It is just the price you don't like :?


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And just to add, it is my understanding that Carvin will not bow to your every desire, rather they have a fixed list of options that you must choose from. It is not a blank sheet. However Fender will work from a blank sheet, or so I am told.

Also if the wood is the same and the paint no different, why buy a Fender in the first instance?


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Just take a look at the link

http://www.carvinguitars.com/catalog/gu ... ?model=ct6

on the right of the page you will see "build and order your guitar" just for fun go through the pages and pages of options and Mock up a guitar that you might like to see. Now call Fenders custom shop and see if they will do your mock up on an American Strat.

These posts always rocket off into some other universe. I simply wished that Fender would offer a similar "design your own" option and they just don't. Sure you can call the custom shop on the phone, go over everything you would like and come to some kind of agreement on price. To try to justify this conjecture that Fender would actually do this for you is yet to be confirmed. Lots of guy's have said that the Fender custom shop will make you anything that you want....including your own "blank sheet" statement. No one has said that they have had this done, or here is a picture of my personally designed custom shop strat. I would love to see one.

Price became part of this story when I told you that Carvin will do my mock up for $1858.00 in 4 weeks delivered to my door. I wish that Fender would also do this although I don't think they will. To say that for the right price Fender would do anything is not only optimistic IMO but unrealistic as well.

You know that the wood is the same and Carvin offers dozens of paint finishes not 5 or 6 like Fender. It has nothing to do with wanting or not wanting to buy a Fender. I would be very interested to see someone's Fender Strat that Fender agreed just to do custom paint. Forget the other 78 options offered by Carvin, Just custom paint from the Fender shop on an Am Strat is all I'd like to see...anyone had this done by Fender?

Everyone yelling at me as usual (lol which I really don't mind) tells me ..."so I am told" "this is what I have heard" "they will do anything you want"...you would think that someone would say they have had this done, and here are some pics... wouldn't you?


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Just take a look at the link

http://www.carvinguitars.com/catalog/gu ... ?model=ct6

on the right of the page you will see "build and order your guitar" just for fun go through the pages and pages of options and Mock up a guitar that you might like to see. Now call Fenders custom shop and see if they will do your mock up on an American Strat.

These posts always rocket off into some other universe. I simply wished that Fender would offer a similar "design your own" option and they just don't. Sure you can call the custom shop on the phone, go over everything you would like and come to some kind of agreement on price. To try to justify this conjecture that Fender would actually do this for you is yet to be confirmed. Lots of guy's have said that the Fender custom shop will make you anything that you want....including your own "blank sheet" statement. No one has said that they have had this done, or here is a picture of my personally designed custom shop strat. I would love to see one.

Price became part of this story when I told you that Carvin will do my mock up for $1858.00 in 4 weeks delivered to my door. I wish that Fender would also do this although I don't think they will. To say that for the right price Fender would do anything is not only optimistic IMO but unrealistic as well.

You know that the wood is the same and Carvin offers dozens of paint finishes not 5 or 6 like Fender. It has nothing to do with wanting or not wanting to buy a Fender. I would be very interested to see someone's Fender Strat that Fender agreed just to do custom paint. Forget the other 78 options offered by Carvin, Just custom paint from the Fender shop on an Am Strat is all I'd like to see...anyone had this done by Fender?

Everyone yelling at me as usual (lol which I really don't mind) tells me ..."so I am told" "this is what I have heard" "they will do anything you want"...you would think that someone would say they have had this done, and here are some pics... wouldn't you?


I think really then what you would like to see is options on the American Line, pure and simple? It does seem like a good idea and one that Carvin offer, however they probably offer this as that is their model and have been operating like that for a while.

Fender on the other hand do offer this service, just not on the American Standard line, they have it in the Custom Shop. So to ask them to dilute what they do in the custom shop by offering a custom service on the American line is not going to happen.

I will give you an example here of this in a slightly different context. Marhsall have been making amps for many years, around the same amount of time as Matamp (www.matamp.co.uk) Marshall will not custom build amps for you unless you are a pro, or so I am told :wink:

Matamp however offer various options in their line and you can spec what colour tolex you want, even mods to the circuit to suit your playing. Why don't Marshall offer this? Simple one they don't want to and two, it is not part of their long standing business model.

I think you are obviously a man who stands by his opinions, and that is nice to see, and it's also nice to have an adult debate 8) However in all honesty I cannot see this being viable for a number of reasons.

Finally the inductive statement that Fender will build any guitar is exactly that without evidence, so why not make this statement deductive and ask Mike Eldred in his forum. The answer will be straight from the horses mouth, as they say.

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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:33 am
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Thank you Mr Floyd

Although often times these discussions do seem to degrade into "debate" I prefer to consider them "animated opinion" and find this to be mentally stimulating. NEVER EVER is it my intention to be disrespectful or confrontational towards anyones opinion about anything at all.

You must admit that it is way more interesting than the "Whats Your Favorite Color Strat" or "What Gauge Strings Do You Use" Threads?

Thank you again Sir for participating with me. And If I have offended you or anyone else during this discussion, it was certainly unintentional and I do apologize.

Have a look at some of my toys that I have just posted (new thread..."I Love Strats & Other Stuff Too Pics") I hope you will enjoy them.

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Already looked at them. Very tasty!! :wink:


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Noodles,

Please carry on, life would be very boring if we all liked the same things 8)

As I said, it is nice to discuss and debate with fellow guitar lovers without resorting to mud slinging that I witness in other forums.

It's your opinion and hey, you are entitled to it :D


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