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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:09 pm
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I'd advise a Marshall Vintage-Modern combo.
http://www.marshallamps.com/product.asp ... Code=2266C

I'm sure you could get one for about £500. There generally about £650 new.
Great amp and you get the G12C Celestions found in the Hendrix tribute full stack. I have a Vintage Modern slant cab and it just kills. 8) Mike

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I have one word for you.... Egnater


I agree, only problem is I don't think he's gonna be able to find the rebel 20 and the cab for <$500. Unless you know something I don't. If so please share. :wink:


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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:01 pm
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Several years ago I bought a used Marshall 4210 JCM800 50 watt 1-12 combo with a Celestion G12-75 it's a little monster.It has an effects loop,reverb,slave out and an overdrive channel that's deadly.You can still pick them up relatively cheap.Also it would be worth your while to look into the Vox AD 60 vt and it's relatives,they're great modelling amps and can reproduce pretty good imitations of other famous amps such as 60s,70s,80s,90s Marshalls,various Fenders,Dumbles,Mesa Boogie and of course Vox + others.I bought a blue face AD120VTH for just $400 Cdn. so I imagine the 50 watt amps would be much cheaper.

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Theres only one 50watt amp i love thats easily available. Thats the Marshall DSL. Dunno what makes it different and the 100watt certainly dont do it, but that amp eats other amps then asks their girfriends out. The 40watt combo dont even do it when plugged into a 1960. Its something particular to the 50watt head.

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Between the Marshall AVT50 and the Fender Deluxe Hot Rod in 50 watts which would be a better choice?

I will mainly be playing blues and rock. The Fenders are known for the superb clean channels which is a big plus for me. They will both give a good crunch sound, but it seems like the Marshall performs better for heavy distortion.

I was reading reviews and a few people complained that the Fender was lacking in that department. Can anyone that owns one confirm or deny this? I can always use a pedal for more distortion so that might not be a problem anyway.

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[quote="Scot06"]Between the Marshall AVT50 and the Fender Deluxe Hot Rod in 50 watts which would be a better choice?

The 2 amps are like comparing apples and oranges. I also own 4 Fender amps and there is nothing like Fender for cleans. If you want heavy distortion or Marshall growl there is nothing like a Marshall. Go to a store and try a fender amp with a distortion pedal. If that does it for you then you will have great cleans and with the pedal you'll have the distortion you want. If you dont really need the Fender cleans go with the Marshall. You'll make a better choice by trying both scenarios. For me its obvious that I like Fender amps since I own 4, but I'll always keep at least the one Marshall. Fenders really are not known for heavy distortion without using a pedal.


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While they are on clearence
B-52 AT-112 60-Watt 1x12" Tube Combo Amp
At GC 359.00 they had one at the local place it was not bad.

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Scot06 wrote:
Between the Marshall AVT50 and the Fender Deluxe Hot Rod in 50 watts which would be a better choice?

I will mainly be playing blues and rock. The Fenders are known for the superb clean channels which is a big plus for me. They will both give a good crunch sound, but it seems like the Marshall performs better for heavy distortion.

I was reading reviews and a few people complained that the Fender was lacking in that department. Can anyone that owns one confirm or deny this? I can always use a pedal for more distortion so that might not be a problem anyway.


Blues and rock can be successfully played through either amp. As has been said before Marshall is known for their balls to the wall distorted tone. Not too many I suspect play high gain music through a Fender.

For me I always play through a Marshall since it is voiced perfectly for hard rock and I never play clean.


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JimmyGuitarist wrote:
I'd advise a Marshall Vintage-Modern combo.
http://www.marshallamps.com/product.asp ... Code=2266C

I'm sure you could get one for about £500. There generally about £650 new.


Hoo boy! I tried one of these amps and they are balls to the walls rock machines. I wish I could get one. No more gas...

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The Marshall Valvestates are damn good sounding amps. There are lots of goofs on the web that slander them to no end but I disagree. I used my AVT50 at my bands final gig and it sounded great. Total Marshall and plenty loud.

Marshall discontinued the Valvestate line but they can still be bought used or some places still have some new ones left over. If you like the classic Marshall tone you will get it for sure at a fraction of the price of a tube amp.

They have a ECC83/12AX7 tube in the preamp section. The rest is solid state.



I bought an AVT50 about 3yrs ago. I wouldn't normally lean towards Marshall, but i really enjoyed the sound.
I've had nothing but trouble with it since. Replaced the fan twice, dodgy pots, dodgy inputs/outputs, no more reverb, lots of stuff. I dont gig often and i look after my gear(and my ears) so it certainly hasn't been abused. I must have just got a dud. Beware that it can happen.
Saving for a Hotrod now, hopefully i'll have more luck with that


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I love combo amps from 40W to 100W. I read about them and look at them on ebay all the time. A 50W amp will gret you heard over a drummer in most small clubs.

Since a lot is said about Marshall in this tread, I will say that I wouldn't trust one for a main amp. I have known players who had them at home, being used as door stops while they saved up the money to fix them (again). Fender is far more reliable as far as I'm conserned. The Fender sound with all the clean headroom is more versatile as well. You can go from clean (Fender) to dirty with a pedal a lot easier than you can clean up a Marshall with a Celestion speaker.

Take a look at some Traynor models on ebay. They make good sounding combos with a rep for great reliability. I was also pleased to see Tech 21 get a mention in this thread. Listen to the amp demos on their website. If you can't see going solid state, consider their SanAmp to be used with
your tube rig.


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Are you looking for a class A amp?

An 18 watt class A will be louder than a 50watt A/B usually.

Are you looking for breakup, tone, headroom?

I'd suggest a Super Reverb based on your OP.

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Miami Mike wrote:
Are you looking for a class A amp?

An 18 watt class A will be louder than a 50watt A/B usually.

Are you looking for breakup, tone, headroom?

I'd suggest a Super Reverb based on your OP.


Thanks Mike, and thanks to everyone who has provided input on this thread! I wish I could try these 2 amps out side by side. But since the AVT50 is not offered in stores anymore I guess that won't be an option. Unless I get lucky and find a store that has one used as well as offering Fender amps.


What do you guys know about the Egnator Amps? I hear people raving about them. But I never see anyone actually playing them :wink: There has got to be a reason for that lol

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Since I've only used solid state amps for guitar, I am wondering if an all tube amp will still be able to give me the breakup at extremely low volumes? (during practice at home alone)

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I'd still advise a Vintage-Modern combo. The reason why I like them is you can just plug in and leave it.. and control all the sounds you want from your pedals. (If you use them?)

It really depends. If your only doing the odd gig here and there... and want an amp for practise too... Maybe a Blues Junior? They give you a full tube sound at low volumes, and there also great to crank up for a gig. (Might have to mic it up though depending on your drummer..)

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