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its unlike me to question your pickup knowledge and your opinion of the tonezone is your own and not open for discsussion. I would however ask you to reassess the tonezone/scn balance issue. I found they match up pretty nicely in the bridge/mid position, kind of like a p90 though not quite. I agree with you on the tonezones excessive mid range focus though find it quite usable with some drive. I certainly think it would meet the OP's requirements being a regular user of a hotrod and my frankenclapton (incidentaly i put a FS2 in the bridge position of that guitar. Its a monster with the mid boost on it).

What i did find with the tonezone is that its particularly useless with a wah pedal, very undefined and bland.


Specifically, I meant that just like most OEM, full sized humbuckers in guitars, and using Gibson as a prime example, the pair aren't truly compatible. For example, if you want a really ripping bridge pickup out of say, a Les Paul, you have to set your amp to cater to that. Now and conversely, if you want all the farty mud out of the neck pickup to where it really sounds smooth and crisp, again, you have to set the amp for it where the bridge will wind up sounding anemic. Unfortunately, in these situations, if one pickup wins, the other has to lose and if you try to strike some compromising balance between the two, the both suffer; this is what I meant..

Interesting post guys but I don't understand this statements meaning that they are not compatable?

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Compatible is the wrong word mate. Its more that there's been a better pairing of pickup types. They work for me, but i can understand that they wouldntwork for everyone. Particularly the tonezone, which is a bit like using a sledgehammer to open a brazil nut sometimes.

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Compatible is the wrong word mate. Its more that there's been a better pairing of pickup types. They work for me, but i can understand that they wouldntwork for everyone. Particularly the tonezone, which is a bit like using a sledgehammer to open a brazil nut sometimes.

We all no that certain pickups match up with others better. But to say that stock Gibby Lp's Humbuckers not being compatible to each other is a new one on me. Now I am with you Nik about the Tonezones I find them to be a bit brash under a heavy attack no matter how you set you amp.

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CV my main reason for not liking standard les pauls is the neck pickup tone. Clarity at the bridge, mud at the neck. Clarity at the neck, too zingy at the bridge.

That old copy of mine has a out of phase reversed magnet polarity (only one magnet reversed btw) neck pickup, thats put in backwards (polepieces towards center). That gives a good mid position tone so atleast i can get good neck and mid or good bridge and mid. The only other way i found to make the guitar usable in all 3 positions was to sink the neck pickup as low as possible as OO recommended me once. It works but loses all the creamy benefits along with it.

Always said i wasnt a lespaul guy. :oops:.

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CV my main reason for not liking standard les pauls is the neck pickup tone. Clarity at the bridge, mud at the neck. Clarity at the neck, too zingy at the bridge.

That old copy of mine has a out of phase reversed magnet polarity (only one magnet reversed btw) neck pickup, thats put in backwards (polepieces towards center). That gives a good mid position tone so atleast i can get good neck and mid or good bridge and mid. The only other way i found to make the guitar usable in all 3 positions was to sink the neck pickup as low as possible as OO recommended me once. It works but loses all the creamy benefits along with it.

Always said i wasnt a lespaul guy. :oops:.

I know My Friend, I am kind of fond of LP's though among others. :D

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Compatible is the wrong word mate. Its more that there's been a better pairing of pickup types. They work for me, but i can understand that they wouldntwork for everyone. Particularly the tonezone, which is a bit like using a sledgehammer to open a brazil nut sometimes.

We all no that certain pickups match up with others better. But to say that stock Gibby Lp's Humbuckers not being compatible to each other is a new one on me...


Of course it is.

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CV my main reason for not liking standard les pauls is the neck pickup tone. Clarity at the bridge, mud at the neck. Clarity at the neck, too zingy at the bridge.

That old copy of mine has a out of phase reversed magnet polarity (only one magnet reversed btw) neck pickup, thats put in backwards (polepieces towards center). That gives a good mid position tone so atleast i can get good neck and mid or good bridge and mid. The only other way i found to make the guitar usable in all 3 positions was to sink the neck pickup as low as possible as OO recommended me once. It works but loses all the creamy benefits along with it.

Always said i wasnt a lespaul guy. :oops:.

I know My Friend, I am kind of fond of LP's though among others. :D


As is your right sir. Like my hotrod balance malaise. If you can work it then work it, plenty of people do. 900gazillion lespaul purchases since its inception cant be wrong.

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Compatible is the wrong word mate. Its more that there's been a better pairing of pickup types. They work for me, but i can understand that they wouldntwork for everyone. Particularly the tonezone, which is a bit like using a sledgehammer to open a brazil nut sometimes.

We all no that certain pickups match up with others better. But to say that stock Gibby Lp's Humbuckers not being compatible to each other is a new one on me...


Of course it is.

How are Gibby LP's two HB's not compatable? I don't claim to be a expert on all things pickup so maybe you can teach me something here.
A short winded question.

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Compatible is the wrong word mate. Its more that there's been a better pairing of pickup types. They work for me, but i can understand that they wouldntwork for everyone. Particularly the tonezone, which is a bit like using a sledgehammer to open a brazil nut sometimes.

We all no that certain pickups match up with others better. But to say that stock Gibby Lp's Humbuckers not being compatible to each other is a new one on me...


Of course it is.

How are Gibby LP's two HB's not compatable? I don't claim to be a expert on all things pickup so maybe you can teach me something here.
A short winded question.


Granted, MANY players are happy with their OEM combo yet the whole aftermarket pickup industry was created and continues to thrive exponentially out of players not being satisfied with the pairing, compatibility or whatever word one wants to use for the OEM pickups in their guitar(s). At the heart of the matter here is subjective perception. Again, in the case of a LP for example, many found the neck pickup just fine: Full bodied, singing in tone, having a full frequency response and definitely powerful enough to break up tube amps into a healthy overdrive but not so with the bridge pickup as it was weaker, a bit too trebly and not having the full bodied response where it wouldn't drive the amp like the neck pickup. Or, the bridge pickup was wonderful for ripping lead work but the neck pickup was overbearing. And back then too as you know, it was an IDENTICAL pair of pickups! Also of note is the fact that back then as well, many a player would hack up their Strat for the purpose of installing a Gibson HB in the bridge for the obvious reasons.

It is understood that the placement of a given, even identical pickup in a guitar affects it's tonality, volume, etc. yet this still doesn't resolve the affected players' quandary nor back then did the vast majority of players have the knowledge, even the, "armchair" kind most have today of the physics of guitar construction as related to pickup response.

Hence, Larry DiMarzio started creating custom pickups for the neck and bridge of Gibsons first and then Fenders, which addressed and compensated for these PERCEIVED anomalies. At the same time, bands from the 60s who were looking for a unique, signature sound and then individual players looking for an individual sound created a demand for more pickup models which grew out of these aftermarket models; more manufacturers sprung up and we are where we are today where even more players find OEM pickup combinations undesirable.

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