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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:51 am
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There is no change in tension. A string of a particular diameter, strung between two fixed points, and tuned to a particular note will be unaffected by the length of the string beyond the nut or bridge.


String length does affect tension to a point. That's why Les Pauls are recognized and feeling different and Taylor sells short-scale neck lengths that are touted to feel different - because of the scale length.

But since it really doesn't matter how long the string is BEHIND the nut, I wouldn't think you'd notice any difference on the same neck, whether it's normal or reversed.


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Tuning is actually easier on a reverse headstock, as you don't have to reach (move your hand) around the neck to get to to the tuners when playing. On a strat you have to reach to the furthest tuner either way, high E or Low E, it matters not. So if you have to reach, at least you don't have to move your hand from playing position to over the top of the neck with a reverse headstock.

I think people who are used to the standard neck, well, are just not used to the reverse. I like the look of a reverse headstock and the standard, and have no specific preference. But when I hear people say that tuning is harder I just do not understand that comment, because its just not true


It is true.
I find it much easier to tune a guitar with six on a side tuners that point up, than to tune one on a reverse headstock.
When I taught guitar there were times it was expedient for me to tune the students' guitars--although they all learned to tune--and the ones with reverse headstocks were pains in the butt.

Along the same lines--and in reference to what you're used to--Most of my guitars have the tuners three a side--and that is actually what I am most used to--and I find it much easier to tune and change strings on the upside than the downside--and I am used to both.

In fact as the unwound strings are usually more likely to break, I have changed more high E strings than any other string. And that's on a tuner pointing down. The string most likely to go out of tune is the G. And that's on a tuner pointing down. So what am I most used to? Yet what do I find more awkward--despite being more used to it?

As far as my 12 string goes--those six tuners pointing down are the worst.

It's more natural and intuitive to tune and change strings with the tuners pointing up.

That said, I wouldn't pass on a guitar that I otherwise loved, just because of a reversed headstock--and hey I love my 12 string--though it can be a pain in the butt to change strings and tune. But all other things being equal--a regular headstock would be my preference.


You are the first person that actually owns a reverse headstock that I have heard that from. I have never heard a gibson player say he prefers tuning the bass stings more than the treble due to tuners pointing down, and on my Ventura I never even thought about which string I prefer to tune. Never even crossed my mind when I got the ESP that tuning was a problem, because it never was. Maybe its because you guys tune via the 5th fret method, and are using your picking hand to make tuning adjustments. I have not used that method in years, so t is easier for me on a reverse, since I use my left/fretting hand to tune. Many pro's have to tune on stage durng a song and that is why the reverse headstock works better. You rarely see a pro using the 5th fret tuning method

I just don't see how moving your hand from playing position to over the top of the neck is easier than keeping your hand in playing position and just reaching for the tuners. Especially if you have to make a quick adjustment mid song

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dgonz wrote:
soggycrow wrote:
There is no change in tension. A string of a particular diameter, strung between two fixed points, and tuned to a particular note will be unaffected by the length of the string beyond the nut or bridge.


String length does affect tension to a point. That's why Les Pauls are recognized and feeling different and Taylor sells short-scale neck lengths that are touted to feel different - because of the scale length.

But since it really doesn't matter how long the string is BEHIND the nut, I wouldn't think you'd notice any difference on the same neck, whether it's normal or reversed.


I wasn't talking about using two different scale lengths. Yes, tension is overall lower on short scale guitars like Gibsons. No issue.

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firstrat wrote:
I have never heard a gibson player say he prefers tuning the bass stings more than the treble due to tuners pointing down...Maybe its because you guys tune via the 5th fret method, and are using your picking hand to make tuning adjustments. I have not used that method in years, so t is easier for me on a reverse, since I use my left/fretting hand to tune. Many pro's have to tune on stage durng a song and that is why the reverse headstock works better. You rarely see a pro using the 5th fret tuning method

I just don't see how moving your hand from playing position to over the top of the neck is easier than keeping your hand in playing position and just reaching for the tuners. Especially if you have to make a quick adjustment mid song


Hey, we all have different shapes & sizes to us--including-and especially in this case--our hands. So it stands to reason that there will be things you find easier than I do, and vice versa.

Whether I'm tuning from the 5th fret, or a tuner, or comparing to another guitar or other instrument, or using harmonics, or chords or whatever else you may tune by, whether I use my right hand or my left to tune (I am comfortable using either one, as I have been playing a long time) I find it easier to use the tuners pointing up--which is why I like tuning my Mustang the best.

But it's not just tuning--it's changing strings--I find the machine head end easier on the low strings (or all of them on my Mustang.) As for midsong tuning--same deal--although my Les Paul has TP-6, and I would use that midsong as the change would likely be quite small, and when I tune it I try to leave the TP-6 tuners in the middle so I have more than enough room to tune up or down. Really quite handy--although the concept wouldn't fly on my Mustang.

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SlapChop wrote:
The physics of a string don't change due to the length of string on the other side of the nut... tension of a given brand of string of a given gauge is the same when the string is brought to pitch regardless of how much length reminds behind the nut.

I therefore share Vulkan's opinion.... the only thing a reverse headstock does is make you personally feel more like your favorite lefty rock star and make you wish you hadn't done it when you have to tune the guitar. :D


True.

Can you also dispel the myth around 'break angle' i.e. the angle of the string from the nut to the tuning post while you're at it, which I believe is bunk? I've heard some folks saying that it affects the tone and I believe these folks should spend more time working on their playing. :)


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All three of my strats are reverse headstocks, and I find the tuning to be quite easy. Why? It's all subjective. I'm sure when you first learned, tuning a guitar in the first place was relatively awkward and difficult; because you just learned. Same goes with a reverse headstock, because you've already adapted to tuning regular strats. Since all of mine are reverse, I've adapted to it and find it easier than tuning regular strats. It's all subjective.


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Hello to all
I have a 09 olympic white american strat. I customized it with: mint green pick guard & back plate, vintage noiseless pickups in the vin white color, switch tip trem tip & control knobs also in a vin white. I wanted to know is where can I buy a american standard revers head stock?
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The heck with all the things like tuning tension, tuning ease...ect....

It just flat out LOOKS COOL!!

I have a 60's Reverse Special and I love the awesome 'Hendrix Vibe' the thing has!!



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You'll most likely feel a difference in string tension and resistance while bending but that's about it.I have a lefty Strat strung right handed (I do a lot of Hendrix covers)and having the controls and whammy bar up top is really handy for switching pups while playing and you can rest your forearm on the whammy while doing lead breaks and/or hammer ons to give you some great Hendrix like effects I can see why Jimi-and later SRV- prefered having the whammy topside.

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