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i thought MIM's went for around the £450 mark nowadays. You could get one of those lovely award session amps for the remaining £230. :wink:

Wish i'd been more clued up about guitars in the 90's and hadnt wasted all that time and money on a exwife.


I was talking about the specific HBM Classic Strat
I have an Award Session Amp and it sounds quite good at a fraction of the price of an All Valves amp


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alainlafrance wrote:
nikininja wrote:
i thought MIM's went for around the £450 mark nowadays. You could get one of those lovely award session amps for the remaining £230. :wink:

Wish i'd been more clued up about guitars in the 90's and hadnt wasted all that time and money on a exwife.


I was talking about the specific HBM Classic Strat
I have an Award Session Amp and it sounds quite good at a fraction of the price of an All Valves amp


This guy has everything :!: :roll: I hope he doesn't have an ex-wife. :?

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alainlafrance wrote:
nikininja wrote:
i thought MIM's went for around the £450 mark nowadays. You could get one of those lovely award session amps for the remaining £230. :wink:

Wish i'd been more clued up about guitars in the 90's and hadnt wasted all that time and money on a exwife.


I was talking about the specific HBM Classic Strat
I have an Award Session Amp and it sounds quite good at a fraction of the price of an All Valves amp


This guy has everything :!: :roll: I hope he doesn't have an ex-wife. :?


No. Still have the same for 30 years.
When you find one who doesn't argue on each gear purchase, you keep her :wink:


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Alain I take the payoff option with the current lady in my life.

New sofa's = 50th deluxe
Louis 14th clock = Custom Classic.

The list goes on and on. Those session award amps are nicknamed the solidstate mesa boogie in the UK. Unfortunately they seem to have wound production down again. They seem to sell in fits and bursts. 3 years of feast then 3 of famine. Hopefully their production will be up and running again soon.
http://www.award-session.com/sessionette.html

I had one when i was 15. It had the utterly superb feature that enabled you to blend the clean and drive channels together.

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alainlafrance wrote:
iWhen you find one who doesn't argue on each gear purchase, you keep her :wink:


At times a matter of luck, at times a matter of having a few things going for you which level the playing field, at times both.

In the end, providence has seen fit to smile on you and yours, for which we are all the fortunate beneficiaries, mon ami

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Merci beaucoup Alain and many thanks to all you guys who responded. I learned more in one posting to this forum than anywhere else on the net. I'm glad I asked!

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So you really think Americans don't know who Hank Marvin is????

:lol:

He is one of the first people I learned of when I learned about the Strat!


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[quote="hendrixfan99"]So you really think Americans don't know who Hank Marvin is????

Music and artists are truly generational. Mostly of what is current leaves me with the impression that I'm on a different planet. Of course I know if I like what I'm listening to happening on a 'sound' while surfing the radio, but beyond that it's the equivalent of " Hank Who??"

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So you really think Americans don't know who Hank Marvin is????

:lol:

He is one of the first people I learned of when I learned about the Strat!


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I never said that; its just that I was aware that the Shadows never really made it big in the States. Maybe what you have said means he really was synonymous with the Fender Strat!

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Cool, it's alright.

Judging by your signature, you're a Beatles fan, no? :)


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[quote="hendrixfan99"]Judging by your signature, you're a Beatles fan, no? :)

I would suggest that, by virtue of his roots, and his gear choices, his influences are UK based. Marvin is proported to be the owner of the first Stratocaster to enter those parts. Given the position of Cliff Richards and The Shadows in the UK at that time, Marvin's gear would have been taken note of, not unlike Buddy Holly whom his appearance mirrors. Many a Stratocaster came of the shelves here in the States in the late fifties as a result of Holly.

With respect to musical influences, "Apache" became a must play in our set list here in 1964.

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zzdoc wrote:
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Judging by your signature, you're a Beatles fan, no? :)

I would suggest that, by virtue of his roots, and his gear choices, his influences are UK based. Marvin is proported to be the owner of the first Stratocaster to enter those parts. Given the position of Cliff Richards and The Shadows in the UK at that time, Marvin's gear would have been taken note of, not unlike Buddy Holly whom his appearance mirrors. Many a Stratocaster came of the shelves here in the States in the late fifties as a result of Holly.

With respect to musical influences, "Apache" became a must play in our set list here in 1964.


There are still daily discussions on Hank's gear during that era and how to reach the iconic sound he had in the early '60s.
I'm into that quest to reach the Holy Grail of "That Sound"
Correct, Hank tried to have the same look as his idol Buddy Holly.
Regarding the Strat in fact he was very impressed by the sound of James Burton so when Cliff proposed to him to buy a Fender guitar, he thought "he must be playing on the most expensive: a Strat" so they ordered one.
James Burton was of course playing on a Tele...

Alas for Hank Marvin & The Shadows it was Jorgen Ingmar's version which made it in the US.

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Ah the watkins copycat is surely a must for nailing his sound. I'd offer the (probably unpopular) view that HBM's sound came mainly from the unreliable nature of those early vox's and the way he struck the strings whilst holding the trem bar.

Only a supposition on my part and i'd love to be corrected. Its a tone from heaven, i wouldnt mind getting nearer to it.

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Hank never used the popular Watkins.
At the very beginning he used a Meazzi Echomatic drum echo machine
thus the wow & flutter you can hear; then he switched for a more reliable Meazzi Echomatic tape echo machine.
Indeed, although the specificity of his sound came mostly from the echo machine, the Strat fitted with wound 12-52 strings and the Selmer and later the Vox plus the way he played and on top the talent of the sound engineers at Abbey Road.

You can recreate almost the same sound he had with specific modern gear , but the latter is very-very- expensive.
But you can get a good result with much more affordable equipment
One must be crazy like me to go into that kind of thing :roll:


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Which Selmer amps did he use Alain? A friend of mine has a couple of selmers. A 50watt (dubbed the poor mans plexi in the late 60's) and a early combo. I sometimes come across them but have ignored all but their late 60's (plexi) models.
The 2x12 selmer combo's didnt happen till 65 did they???

This is the stuff i love. When gear was new and exciting. Everyone trying to develop their own sounds. Unlike today where everyone tries to sound like everyone else.

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