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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:38 am
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I was at a friend's party a few days ago and ended up talking guitars with one of his mates, I didn't know he played guitar, and turns out he owns a 1994 Strat plus.
He hasn't been playing for some years and he contacted me yesterday on facebook asking me how much I thought he could sell it for.
I see prices online ranging from about 800$ to 1'500$, looks like 1'500 is quite too much honestly...
Eventually I'm going to the guy's place on Thursday to play around a bit with that guitar, I'm quite excited as I've never tried a Plus.
He just sent me a small picture of it, very nice sunburst with a white pickguard and rosewood fingerboard. Seems in very fine condition.
I'm really considering buying it if he doesn't ask for an unreasonable price, I probably don't really need another guitar, but something inside of me is telling me to get it... :P
What do you guys reckon, if it's in a good state, what is the max price I should put for it ?

Talked with my wife and surprisingly she told me I had the right to get it if I wanted too :shock:, I haven't asked my Ultra what she thinks about it yet though :P

Nice wife! Sounds like mine....actually my wife no longer cares what I buy as she know I am a thrifty person... despite the guitar collection. But to your question—this can be relative based on a lot of things like where you live (like in UK or OZ where they have more value) and how it is being sold, etc. But if this is a sunburst or antique burst (most were the second and you can look at my website and see the difference) and is really clean with case and some candy, it is worth around $750 -$900. I just bought a nice antique burst plus with a black Fender DX case case for $750. Now sometimes, when a Plus is a super clean, and advertised right, and sold on eBay, they can go for more if a bidding war kicks in. But most of the time it is for other colors. If this fellow likes the idea of the guitar being sold to you, then he might sell it to you a little less, unless he really needs the money right now....

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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:35 pm
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Thanks for your reply Xhefri ! :)

Here in Switzerland these guitars are quite rare indeed, I never see any around in shops or on shopping site, so it's hard to know their value. Anyway I told the guy to look on the US ebay site so he can see their average price, as there really is no reference in swiss francs. just fear that he is thinking that he can sell it for much more than that, hope that we can find an arrangement in case I decide to buy it.
Looking forward to go and play it.


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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:04 pm
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First post here, I feel like you guys will be able to give me a definitive answer.

I read Xhefri's page on Strat Pluses. Very very informative but I have a couple questions:

Some Strat Pluses come with the Hipshot and some do not, so if all signs point to a genuine Stra Plus but it doesn't have a Hipshot it should still be the real deal, right?

According to Xhefri's site, all Strat Pluses have the micro tilt adjustment. Is the absence of micro tilt a dead giveaway that the body was swapped? Or are there some that did not come with the micro tilt?


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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:09 pm
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I have never seen a strat plus without a micro tilt.

My strat plus I bought new in 1988 didn't come with the hipshot tremsetter and isn't drilled for one. I have had a lot of these guitars I bought used. Some had tremsetters, some didn't, some were drilled for them, but were switched out for regular trem claws.


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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:01 am
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The Micro-tilt was used on all Plus Models as well as on the 1980s American Standard Strats. If yours does not have one, then the body has been changed!

The tremsetters started showing up around 1989 and even with some later models, they were not always installed. I have owned a few 1995-6 Plus that only had springs and a full claw—and no holes drilled where the tremsetter was to go. There were pilot marks where you drill the small holes for the mount for the tremsetter, but no holes drilled. So this was a feature that was an option but I by far have seem more with tremsetters than with out.

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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:16 pm
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JasonSD wrote:
I have never seen a strat plus without a micro tilt.

My strat plus I bought new in 1988 didn't come with the hipshot tremsetter and isn't drilled for one. I have had a lot of these guitars I bought used. Some had tremsetters, some didn't, some were drilled for them, but were switched out for regular trem claws.


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The Micro-tilt was used on all Pus Models as well as on the 1980s American Standard Strats. If yours does not have one, then the body has been changed!

The tremsetters started showing up around 1989 and even with some later models, they were not always installed. I have owned a few 1995-6 Plus that only had springs and a full claw—and no holes drilled where the tremsetter was to go. There were pilot marks where you drill the small holes for the mount for the tremsetter, but no holes drilled. So this was a feature that was an option but I by far have seem more with tremsetters than with out.


Thanks for the input guys. I got pics of the neck pocket and the neck butt and the guitar does indeed have the micro tilt. However, theres no hole in the pocket for the jig as in Xhefri's page. The neck pocket is also stamped "FINISHED GOODS". Red flag or nothing to worry about?

Its also got a E4 serial number if that helps.

Xhefri or anyone else please feel free to tell me I'm just overthinking this lol


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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:40 pm
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Howdy! The extra holes for the jigs started in 1997. If you check out my page I indicate that. Before 1997 there were no extra holes. Sounds like you have an early 88 or late 87 Plus. Can you make out any dates on the neck butt or body neck socket? I have seen some interesting stamps on 87-88 Plus'. I have seen FINISHED GOODS and BUFFED on a few guitars. Some kind of internal quality control thing back then—I am guessing! :? No red flags here. Post some pict!!!!!

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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:27 am
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real or not? 1989 Fender USA Strat Plus Stratocaster Neck Thinner Profile Than Today's C I'm saying no. String T holes, tuner screw holes, wilk nut overhang. What say you?


I say no too. Looks like an American Standard neck that someone tried to make into a Plus type neck. Here is a pict of a real E9 Plus neck (below left) Note the nut is not over hanging as you mentioned. Also a few other shots of Plus necks with the Wilkinson nut:
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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:30 pm
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I don't know. The string tree holes don't look as clean as I would think Fender would make them. Like in this ad.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-American-S ... 7675.l2557

So maybe they were added. I have 1 maple strat plus neck where the nut hangs over just a touch, not as much as the one in this post though. The imprint of the tuners on the back of the headstock look a little more square like regular Fender tuners, but really hard to say.

So I'm not sure what it is.


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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:35 pm
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Well, after re-reading his ad, he said it had Sperzels on them, and that he has those for sale in another auction. Sperzels don't have the roman numerals on the back like regular Fender tuners, and Schaller locking tuners, which you can see the imprint of on the back of the headstock. Plus Sperzels are a little more rounded. So I don't know if I would trust what he says.

He also has a strat body he says is an Eric Clapton body from 2007, but it's LPB, so I wouldn't trust him.


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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:42 pm
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Yeah I don't think they ever came in that color. At least it started at a low price, so maybe someone will get it at a decent price, looks like a decent body, if someone doesn't spend like $400 on it.

He also has this neck that looks like a fake.
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Very square cut of of the contoured body logo, and looks like a lot of it isn't quite the right font.


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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:27 pm
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I am sure this neck in question is off an 1989 American Standard Strat. Please note the picts below. The top one is an American Standard Strat. You can see where the string trees are positioned. I have seen these holes rounded out before like in the pict.

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The back of the head stock would have come with 2- holes for the Fender F-tuners. If the person added newer Sperzel tuners, that now come with one centered pin, thus the 3rd hole in the center between the 2-hole configuration.But then again, these holes are all sloppy! Who know for sure. :? If a person sawed off the wood in front of the standard nut, the Wilkinson would hang over like that—BTW— way more than on any Plus I have ever seen! :shock:

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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:26 pm
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That was nuts.....guess one reason people like to sell on uPay, wePay, theyallPay on eBay....Was watchig the auction....... :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:14 am
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albala wrote:
Have you ever contested an auction such as that one by asking the seller questions.

I have done that many times. But people get reality offended if you are pointing out what they are saying is not accurate in their auction. Some are appreciative and others get ticked off. I try to be really tactful in my approach in helping them to understand what they really have. Anyhow there is so much hype on eBay that being a credibility police would be a full time job! :lol: :lol:

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Is it a no-no to mix an 80's SP neck with a '93 Standard body?

Not at all. The 1990 American Standard bodies are exactly the same as the Plus bodies being made on the same jigs and to the specs EXCEPT possibly the color. The American Standards came in a few colors the Plus series didn't and vice versa. One problem you can run into is the neck being too tight or loose. I do not know if it has to do with a slight variation in the finish work, or the wood shrinking over years, but I have seen some necks that were really a tight fit on the bodies— to the point of having to sand the neck route. Then I have seen some that were a bit sloppy. That can happen when you mix and match older and newer parts.

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Is it a no-no to mix an 80's SP neck with a '93 Standard body?

Not at all. The 1990 American Standard bodies are exactly the same as the Plus bodies being made on the same jigs and to the specs EXCEPT possibly the color. The American Standards came in a few colors the Plus series didn't and vice versa. One problem you can run into is the neck being too tight or loose. I do not know if it has to do with a slight variation in the finish work, or the wood shrinking over years, but I have seen some necks that were really a tight fit on the bodies— to the point of having to sand the neck route. Then I have seen some that were a bit sloppy. That can happen when you mix and match older and newer parts.


Candy Apple Red with a maple neck

pics to follow soon

That would work!!! Yes picts soon!

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