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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:45 am
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53 pages and still going strong!! :P


What is "All Blacks"?

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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:43 pm
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albala wrote:
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Blertles wrote:
53 pages and still going strong!! :P

What is "All Blacks"?
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the name of an Aus. Football team.


Austria is a cool place, I have heard.
Gotta get over their and do the Viennese Waltz
and some May Pole dancing :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:37 pm
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albala wrote:
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Austria is a cool place, I have heard.
Gotta get over their and do the Viennese Waltz
and some May Pole dancing :lol: :lol: :lol:

Australia, not Austria

Of course :?
Downunder with Aussie Rules Futboll :lol:
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albala wrote:
Toppscore wrote:
Austria is a cool place, I have heard.
Gotta get over their and do the Viennese Waltz
and some May Pole dancing :lol: :lol: :lol:



Australia, not Austria

Oh man, that's bad! Like the time I had an Kiwi working for me and the locals asked him where he was from. He said "New Zealand." then they asked, "What part of Australia is that in?" He was fuming when he came and told me what happened! He said, "Next time a Yank tells me where he is from I am going to ask him what part of Canada is that in?" :x :lol: :lol:

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people get so worked up about where they're from. They need to realize nobody cares but them.

back on track...

I noticed I have one of those N9 Strat Pluses from 1990. It's the one that started it all for me, my pewter plus.

Nice! That was a mixed up year for Fender... As they used E9, N0 and N9 all for 1990...

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albala wrote:
people get so worked up about where they're from. They need to realize nobody cares but them.

back on track...

I noticed I have one of those N9 Strat Pluses from 1990.
It's the one that started it all for me, my pewter plus.


Question analysis . . . . .

If "N9" is Nineteen Ninety, What is my "N0xxxxxx"
Please help me understand, as I am thinking "N9" is 1999?
I have a steak dinner riding on your answer, Dr Guitar. Thanks.
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Have the answer in the preceding post!! Do you win or lose?



Gosh. I should read these darn things :oops:
Missed that. Bucks out of my pocket :lol:

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Toppscore wrote:
albala wrote:
people get so worked up about where they're from. They need to realize nobody cares but them.

back on track...

I noticed I have one of those N9 Strat Pluses from 1990.
It's the one that started it all for me, my pewter plus.


Question analysis . . . . .

If "N9" is Nineteen Ninety, What is my "N0xxxxxx"
Please help me understand, as I am thinking "N9" is 1999?
I have a steak dinner riding on your answer, Dr Guitar. Thanks.
Toppscore
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From what I've read Fender accidentally used those "N9" numbers for only a short period of time in early 1990 before they switched to the "N0" numbers - probably 2-3 months at the most.

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Toppscore, that is one sexy piece!

do they start at N000001?

is there anything special about lower numbers?


albala - they would start it at "N000001", but it's my understanding that the decals are (or at least were) kept in a bin, and the person applying the headstock decals during the neck building process would essentially grab a stack of them and put them on their workbench - so they aren't necessarily used in order. For example if there were more than one person applying headstock decals each person would have their own stack of decals. Then the necks are stored in a parts inventory until an assembler would grab a stack of necks for their daily builds, and the necks might not get used in order. An early number would just mean that the neck was built shortly after they started using that year's serial numbers.


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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:55 am
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albala wrote:
Toppscore, that is one sexy piece!
do they start at N000001? is there anything special about lower numbers?



Avoid low serial numbers on anything :!: :!: :!:
Low serial numbers = more experimentation, beta issues, trial & error philosophy,
transitional problems, mistakes, production learning cycles are poor, more tune-ups :shock:

Get higher numbers :D Less problems. Newer with more building history & experience.
More consistency towards the original designer's intended specifications :wink:

Get rid of the 1950s Strats :lol: Buy 2012 Fender American Deluxe or Selects.
Newer, less problems, good looks, plays great, sounds wonderful, no corrosion,
no faking originality, less insurance, no worries about gigging damage, more colors,
more pickup selections, better wood, less theft issues :P
Pretty Chicks Swoon over "NEW & REAL CLEAN" :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:12 pm
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albala - they would start it at "N000001", but it's my understanding that the decals are (or at least were) kept in a bin, and the person applying the headstock decals during the neck building process would essentially grab a stack of them and put them on their workbench - so they aren't necessarily used in order. For example if there were more than one person applying headstock decals each person would have their own stack of decals. Then the necks are stored in a parts inventory until an assembler would grab a stack of necks for their daily builds, and the necks might not get used in order. An early number would just mean that the neck was built shortly after they started using that year's serial numbers.


John C, is this "bin" stuff written and video'd archived somewhere?

Seems like Fender throws everything into a bin, from chassis' to transfromers
to speakers to tube charts, and now, serial numbers.

To print serial numbers on stickers or labels, the printer makes long rolls
and/or sheets and/or runs of labels. I'd think the labels would be fairly
close as an employee would take a maybe 100 off a roll and another employee
would take another 100 off the same roll. Therefore, that roll of numbers would
be used up during the same day or week. Don't cha think?


I constantly run into buyers and sellers on EBay and in the Northern California area
who blame ANY & ALL Fender mistakes or inconsistency issues upon the
"widely spread & rumored theoretical concept" that Fender threw everything in a "bin".

I own a 1960 Fender "Super Amp" that will be returning from Skip Simmons restoration
later this week. It has a "JI" tube chart date build for September 1960.

The 2x10 MATCHING 1959 Jensen P10R Speakers
are both dated "220945" or November 1959 :!: :!: :!:

I have people state that these 1959 matching Jensen speakers cannot
be factory installed as ten months apart is too much for Fender.
I have people "in the know" that say Fender was going through it's
"Wild West Expansion" era in 1960 and the 1959 Jensen P10R speakers
are perfect factory installs for the "JI" Super Amp.

Do you feel that "the Fender 'BIN THEORY' for mistakes & errros" is a bit overused?

What do you think? Believe? Know?
Is there any real "proof" to the "bin theory" at all?
Or, just "logical heresay".


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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:28 pm
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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:44 pm
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albala wrote:
thanks John. Do you get info like that by talking to people who worked there, or through Xhefri and his knowledge base?


Credit where credit's due - the "N9xxxxx" used in 1990 comes from Xhefri's site. I remembered the E3/E4 numbers on the early Standards and Pluses from being around back then.

Other than that - I just retain things I read, and I've read all the books (Forrest White's book, George Fullerton's book, "The Stratocaster Chronicles", "Fender - The Real Story", even "The Black Strat"). I'm a marketing researcher - having a good memory comes in very handy for doing observational/ethnographic research. :wink:

Toppscore wrote:
John C, is this "bin" stuff written and video'd archived somewhere?

Do you feel that "the Fender 'BIN THEORY' for mistakes & errros" is a bit overused?

What do you think? Believe? Know?
Is there any real "proof" to the "bin theory" at all?
Or, just "logical heresay".


Toppscore 8)


Last hijack - if we want to discuss this we should move it from this thread. That "Fender just threw parts into a bin" has been very well documented in most of those books I've read - particularly the first-hand accounts from White (who was Fender's plant manager and should know these things) and Fullerton.


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