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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:26 am
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You'll have a blast.
Xhefri's help has provided very useful info for my recent purchases
of both a 1996 Fender Plus Deluxe and a 1990 Fender Plus Ultra.
Nothing like adding different guitars for different sounds,
tones and options to your arsenal. Take care. Toppscore 8)
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hahaha.
From what I hear, Xhefri, I'd love to see your family tree or museum of guitars.
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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:34 am
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Actually, I do not have that many guitars. I am OCD and have sold a lot of them over the years, just to get other ones. Right now I am down too about 30 (I would have to go count to be exact.) So there is no museum here! I have a few old Gibsons I will never sell (unless forced to by circumstance) and a coupe favorite Plus'.

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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:16 am
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Wow, while I have seen a lot of variations of the Plus, again I am pleasantly surprised to see another cool one that I did not know existed. I read the ebay page BTW. Any other history on this? I have seen a few custom matching head stocks in solid colors, like Surf Green, but never a sunburst like this. Any more info??? Hang tag of the guitar? Very cool!

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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:29 am
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albala wrote:
Xhefri wrote:
Actually, I do not have that many guitars. I am OCD and have sold a lot of them over the years, just to get other ones. Right now I am down too about 30 (I would have to go count to be exact.) So there is no museum here! I have a few old Gibsons I will never sell (unless forced to by circumstance) and a coupe favorite Plus'.
30, wow! what is your personal fav? what is your most collectable?
Do you have any with matching headstocks like this one?


Nice Strat Plus.
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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:43 am
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Xhefri wrote:
Wow, while I have seen a lot of variations of the Plus, again I am pleasantly surprised to see another cool one that I did not know existed. I read the ebay page BTW. Any other history on this? I have seen a few custom matching head stocks in solid colors, like Surf Green, but never a sunburst like this. Any more info??? Hang tag of the guitar? Very cool!


Xhefri. Have you seen this EBay listing? I wrote him with a list.
He says it has the "Ultra" on the neck plate. That's it.

He claims 1988 Ultra with a 1989 E9 serial number,
no double bridge Lace Sensor humbucker with no toggle switch.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... TQ:US:1123

Told him about your site to get more references.

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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:07 pm
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albala wrote:
Xhefri wrote:
Wow, while I have seen a lot of variations of the Plus, again I am pleasantly surprised to see another cool one that I did not know existed. I read the ebay page BTW. Any other history on this? I have seen a few custom matching head stocks in solid colors, like Surf Green, but never a sunburst like this. Any more info??? Hang tag of the guitar? Very cool!
that's not my guitar. I troll ebay for Strat Plus stuff and that's a recent addition.
I wish it were mine.


Yes. Nice axe.
Albala, what Pluses do you have?
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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:52 am
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albala wrote:
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Yes. Nice axe.
Albala, what Pluses do you have?
Toppscore :)

'88 yellow with a jeff beck signature neck and a mixed set of Areas
'91 grey with duncan stacks
'90s brownburst with a mixed set of Virtual Vintage
'90s sunburst with 57/62s

I'm working on a CAR next. I have about 15 or so guitars total



Those are Fender Plus Series all with changed pickups away from the Lace Sensors?
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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:45 pm
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So you purchased them all except for one without Lace Sensors
and the one that did have Lace Sensors you changed, anyway.

So, what is it about the Plus series of guitars you do like
and what is it that you do not like?

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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:57 am
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I took off my neck today to find if this body matches my strat plus neck and found a piece of paper stuck over almost the entire area. Is this normal? It took some of the pink Date off and they stamped the year in the black paint job so you cannot see it. Then the Black dated stamp is under the remains of the sticker type paper which is not coming off easily. The main part just came off.

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Will post pics next under the pickguard. I'm just going out for dinner quick!


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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:31 pm
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Right, so the mystery of my guitar being an original strat plus (body) or Not continues...

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It has a swimming pool route!

Neck Date stamp confirming it to be an '88 model even though it has an E4 Serial on the headstock.

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Original Gold Lace Sensor pickups with Patent ending in 666 and Orange and White wiring (pre '92)

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Here is the confusing part as mentioned in my last post of the date stamp in the neck pocket covered with a piece of paper.

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I managed to get the paper off and it has one out of 3 dates, 2 incomplete the other dating May 1998. I also only have a few holes in the neck pocket which is pre '97 right?
The '98 date in the neck pocket contradicts all the other evidence that this is an Original Strat Plus model but with a Hard tail, Swimming Pool Route, Original Gold Lace pickups, Black ground wire. It also has the Cursive fender Logo and Micro tilt on the Neck Plate as mentioned.

The other thing that I noticed why this is not a Standard American Strat Hardtail Body is the controls. There are two volume knobs and one Tone knob, not 2 tone, one volume. The color of the wordings on the controls are also dark gold looking (faded). (numbers and words).

What do the Pro's think, as i'm still a bit baffled.


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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:45 pm
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Marcelive wrote:
Right, so the mystery of my guitar being an original strat plus (body) or Not continues...

It has a swimming pool route!

Neck Date stamp confirming it to be an '88 model even though it has an E4 Serial on the headstock.

Original Gold Lace Sensor pickups with Patent ending in 666 and Orange and White wiring (pre '92)

Here is the confusing part as mentioned in my last post of the date stamp in the neck pocket covered with a piece of paper.

I managed to get the paper off and it has one out of 3 dates, 2 incomplete the other dating May 1998. I also only have a few holes in the neck pocket which is pre '97 right?
The '98 date in the neck pocket contradicts all the other evidence that this is an Original Strat Plus model but with a Hard tail, Swimming Pool Route, Original Gold Lace pickups, Black ground wire. It also has the Cursive fender Logo and Micro tilt on the Neck Plate as mentioned.

The other thing that I noticed why this is not a Standard American Strat Hardtail Body is the controls. There are two volume knobs and one Tone knob, not 2 tone, one volume. The color of the wordings on the controls are also dark gold looking (faded). (numbers and words).

What do the Pro's think, as i'm still a bit baffled.


Well I'll stand by my original thought - it is a guitar assembled from Fender parts. The neck and pickups come from a 1988 Strat Plus (going by the neck date stamp and the markings/wiring on the Lace Sensors also look like that early time frame) on a late 1990s American Standard hardtail body. Your detective work pegs that to be a 1998 body - and 1998 was the transition year from the swimming pool route to the HSH routes on the bodies. From what I've read that change was "phased in" - if Fender still had bodies in their body inventory of a specific color with the swimming pool route they used them up, and when they were scheduled to do the next run of bodies in that color they would have been done with the HSH routing. Slow selling colors (or in this case features - meaning the hard tail bridge) would have taken longer to use up the swimming pool bodies.

If I'm reading your post correctly the neck plate just has the "modern" Fender script (similar to the headstock decal). I'm pretty sure that neck plate would be appropriate for both a 1988 Strat Plus and a 1998 American Standard Strat - so it could have either come from the guitar that donated the body or the guitar that donated the neck and pickups. I just don't remember when (or if) American Standards switched over to the "Fender Corona California" neck plates but I do know Fender was using that style on the American Deluxes in 1998. For some reason I'm thinking that the "Fender Corona California" plates weren't used on the Standards and didn't show up until they were replaced by the American Series in mid-2000 - but I could be wrong on that part.

I'm not sure what you mean by "two volume knobs and one tone knob" - do you mean the guitar is really wired up with two volumes and a master tone, or do you mean that it just happens to have a knob that reads "volume" on one of the tone controls?

Assuming it's just the knob then someone could have easily just put on a knob that read "volume" as a quick replacement for a broken or missing knob.


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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:49 pm
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weird, I made a comment between your two posts and now it is not there! This guitar has something weird going on. As I pointed out in the post that is now gone, the sticker in the neck socket is the paper off the back of the neck. Somehow something sticky or humidity caused that to stick to the body. You have a lot of early 1988 Plus parts on a 1998 body. The extra holes used in jigs to make the body (in the neck socket and below the pickup route) are fro 1997 and later (not earlier). See picts below.

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The pickups on this guitar are like those I have seen on 1987 and some very early 1988 Plus'. Below is a guard off a 1987 Plus. Note the pat pend 666 labels and two wire. So you have a mixed up partscaster. Someone took a Plus and changed bodies out for a newer 1998 hard tail Strat body. My guess... And John C beat me to it!!!!!!

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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:23 pm
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@John C & @Xhefri

Thx so much! I was totally incorrect about the controls. Yes I have 2 knobs that say Volume and one Tone. Odd. They're all the same looking. One doesn't look newer.

It strikes me a bit odd as to why somebody would add this strat plus neck and pickups to a hard tail body in the first place. Great sustain and stays even more in tune with locking tuner heads?!

I'm a bit sad now not having an original guitar though... but at least we got to the bottom of it.

Last thing I wanted to ask about the body. How can I be sure this is from a US standard. Only by the date, any other means? I don't even know what wood this is.

Thanks again for all your help!


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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:14 pm
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Will trade one tone knob for a volume knob lol!..My guitar has 3 tone knobs..

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Post subject: Re: Fans of Strat Plus and Strat Ultra
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:18 pm
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Marcelive wrote:
@John C & @Xhefri

Thx so much! I was totally incorrect about the controls. Yes I have 2 knobs that say Volume and one Tone. Odd. They're all the same looking. One doesn't look newer.

It strikes me a bit odd as to why somebody would add this strat plus neck and pickups to a hard tail body in the first place. Great sustain and stays even more in tune with locking tuner heads?!

I'm a bit sad now not having an original guitar though... but at least we got to the bottom of it.

Last thing I wanted to ask about the body. How can I be sure this is from a US standard. Only by the date, any other means? I don't even know what wood this is.

Thanks again for all your help!


It was probably owned by someone who loved the pickups and the neck but was tired of having the trem so they put their favorites on the hard tail body.

The body would be an American Standard or Strat Plus - those were the only models that had that swimming pool route but didn't have figured wood veneers (ash for the Strat Plus Deluxe and figured maple for the Strat Ultra). I think it would likely be an alder body.


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