Here they took the neck off:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM8ixpbm ... re=related

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I would bet that a group of them circled around that thing like bussard's before the video taping and checked it out very good.

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With documents!!!!

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Thomas Jefferson

The troubling thing to me is that the Roadshow guy, a supposed expert, said that the guitar's 0047 serial number meant it was the 47th one made. Every vintage guitar expert knows that isn't true; not even close.

So maybe a guy could pass a fake by these guys! But the case had better not look too new!

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My other guitar is a Strat.

Hi Jay: yep, we've had the same show here for many decades. They've turned up lots of genuine and amazingly valuable finds over the years - though I can't remember if that includes pricy electric guitars because I'm not an avid viewer.

I was kind of assuming the bit we were shown followed on from a much more thorough examination off screen - but of course, the experts on these shows all have to be generalists to a fair degree, and may not know a given subject through and through. I naturally have no knowledge of that particular guy - but he did make it sound a bit like the neck plate was all the evidence he required...

So on the off-chance, I just ordered up a bunch of neck plates with numbers like 12, 135, 1008. I'm hoping that fairly soon you'll be able to see that fella pricing a few of my Strats at tens of thousands each for me...

Cheers - C

I love it when a plan comes together. Mike

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That's a good one! Fooling those Roadshow fellas is one thing ... fooling someone willing to give you tens of thousands of dollars for one is yet another.

If you can figure out that part, let me know.

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Yeah: that part I wouldn't even try...

But to be serious about it for a second: with fakery, since there's no provenance one of the tricky bits is introducing an item into the market. One of the classic ways to do it is to let someone else think they discovered something that you were too much of a hayseed to know about. The flattery to someone's ego often makes them become an advocate for that item, when they should have stood back with a cooler head.

Many, many now-famous forgeries in various areas have been edged into the market this way, and it's a big reason we are wise to be quietly but deeply sceptical when supposed high value instruments have turned up here with an "anyone know what this is I just found in my grandaddy's attic?" thread.

I'm not casting doubt on any one of them particularly (I haven't the knowledge): just suggesting it's a sensible approach.

Anyway: given that "vintage" guitars are a heck of a lot easier to fake and more difficult to spot than many other high price collectables (art; antiques; etc) I sometimes wonder that we don't see many more "old" guitars on these antiques type TV programs. It would be an excellent way to bring that "1958 Les Paul" to market...

Cheers - C

I don't have much in the way of provenance for most of my guitars. I have a story, but very little proof. I have a couple receipts, but those could be faked. For example, I have the receipt for my 1971 Black lefthanded Strat (and I saw the sellers original store receipt, but I don't have it). After 30+ years, try to find the guy who wrote it out! I tried, but failed in finding Mr. Dillon using Google.

As for the show, we have no way of knowing how many fakes come across their desks! Unless they choose to air a forgery (they do from time to time).

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'Zactly. That's what makes guitar forgery so attractive - because of course there's plenty of real '50s instruments out there, and most of them don't have any kind of meaningful proof of what they are.

It's a terrible pain for those that indeed do have the real thing - as we saw with Mr 53Strat's guitar, and I'm guessing a couple of others we've seen.

It's all so very murky... But good clean fun for those of us that don't have the funds to do more than watch from our armchairs.

'Night - C

It's particularly murky when all you can do is view some pictures over the internet. Let me hold it in my hands and then I'd be pretty sure when it's a real vintage piece!

I don't believe Mr. 53strat's father had an original receipt either! Some other forum dude (not this forum) recognized it as the guitar in the history books! But that fits into your scheme of let somebody else discover it, doesn't it!?!!!

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Does anyone know an approximate on how many 54 strats are actually in existence? I bet a big portion is in Japan with some rich business guy who don't even play guitar.

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