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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:39 pm
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I`m pretty sure the neck and bridge are Lindy Fralin pickups.Even explains that big ole orange cap.They look exactly like the Fralins pictured on Fralins site same bobbins and wire.

Does anybody own the Fralins and can confirm they have a signed sticker and that look on the bottom?

Next ,I guess I`ll have to multimeter them to see what kinda K they measure.They sound nice but are not super hot.6K versions I`m guessing.

That pick guard will soon have full size CTS pots a new 5 way and the treble bleed hooked up.Along with a matching RW/RP middle.Sweet Goodness.


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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:54 pm
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maxoom wrote:
I`m pretty sure the neck and bridge are Lindy Fralin pickups.Even explains that big ole orange cap. They look exactly like the Fralins pictured on Fralins site same bobbins and wire.


That could be it! good work.

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You may want to do some research before wiring your guitar/pickup circuit to have a treble bleed. I've read negative things conserning the practice. I've also read that high quality pickups (which the Fralins definitely qualify as) have no use for the treble bleed. Maybe if we call for Martian he can throw in his two cents as well. Keep in mind my two cents are worth considerably less than Martian's two cents.

Martian!!!!!!! Your advise is required please sir.

P.S. Please let us know how the Fralins work out. I'm thinking about some new pups and Fralin is on my short list.

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DeadAhead wrote:
You may want to do some research before wiring your guitar/pickup circuit to have a treble bleed. I've read negative things conserning the practice. I've also read that high quality pickups (which the Fralins definitely qualify as) have no use for the treble bleed. Maybe if we call for Martian he can throw in his two cents as well. Keep in mind my two cents are worth considerably less than Martian's two cents.

Martian!!!!!!! Your advise is required please sir.

P.S. Please let us know how the Fralins work out. I'm thinking about some new pups and Fralin is on my short list.

Russ


I have also heard the negative side of the treble bleed and have reconsidered.I really have never had a problem with the sound when turning down so I should just leave well enough alone.
It`s like fixing things that are not broke.

The Fralins sound good now but until I redo the cavity and rid it of the small pots, cheap switch and goofy mini coil tap switch setup I won`t be able to give an accurate review. Maybe I`ll opt for a blender pot instead?

I must admit since buying this Strat I have got a case of Stratocaster fever.
I can`t stop thinking of little ways to tweak and personalize this guitar.Admittedly because it is such a fun guitar to play and it sounds so good.


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maxoom wrote:
I have also heard the negative side of the treble bleed and have reconsidered. I really have never had a problem with the sound when turning down so I should just leave well enough alone.


In my experience, it's humbuckers that can best use the treble bleed modification.

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orvilleowner wrote:
maxoom wrote:
I have also heard the negative side of the treble bleed and have reconsidered. I really have never had a problem with the sound when turning down so I should just leave well enough alone.


In my experience, it's humbuckers that can best use the treble bleed modification.


That actually makes a lot of sense.Maybe I will try it on one of my humbucker guitars for kicks.


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DeadAhead wrote:
You may want to do some research before wiring your guitar/pickup circuit to have a treble bleed. I've read negative things conserning the practice. I've also read that high quality pickups (which the Fralins definitely qualify as) have no use for the treble bleed. Maybe if we call for Martian he can throw in his two cents as well. Keep in mind my two cents are worth considerably less than Martian's two cents.

Martian!!!!!!! Your advise is required please sir.

P.S. Please let us know how the Fralins work out. I'm thinking about some new pups and Fralin is on my short list.

Russ


You rang?

Treble RETENTION circuits (erroneously called, treble "bleed" circuits) are a waste of time, money and effort for traditional output single coils. They actually ramp up the treble as one lowers the volume and contort the overall dynamics of the pot. These circuits do have limited merit though with higher output humbuckers.

And Russ, your 2 cents is EVERY BIT as worth mine is!

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Martian wrote:
DeadAhead wrote:
You may want to do some research before wiring your guitar/pickup circuit to have a treble bleed. I've read negative things conserning the practice. I've also read that high quality pickups (which the Fralins definitely qualify as) have no use for the treble bleed. Maybe if we call for Martian he can throw in his two cents as well. Keep in mind my two cents are worth considerably less than Martian's two cents.

Martian!!!!!!! Your advise is required please sir.

P.S. Please let us know how the Fralins work out. I'm thinking about some new pups and Fralin is on my short list.

Russ


You rang?

Treble RETENTION circuits (erroneously called, treble "bleed" circuits) are a waste of time, money and effort for traditional output single coils. They actually ramp up the treble as one lowers the volume and contort the overall dynamics of the pot. These circuits do have limited merit though with higher output humbuckers.

And Russ, your 2 cents is EVERY BIT as worth mine is!

Hi, martian I would not say they ramp up the treble because they are not adding any treble. All they do is allow some of the treble thats there to continue to the output as the volume is reduce instead of letting it bleed to ground. As you know the higher frequencies go to ground first your just keeping some so that it stays crisp sounding. I found the trick is to find the right values so that the guitar does not get to thin of a sounding.

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cvilleira wrote:
Martian wrote:
DeadAhead wrote:
You may want to do some research before wiring your guitar/pickup circuit to have a treble bleed. I've read negative things conserning the practice. I've also read that high quality pickups (which the Fralins definitely qualify as) have no use for the treble bleed. Maybe if we call for Martian he can throw in his two cents as well. Keep in mind my two cents are worth considerably less than Martian's two cents.

Martian!!!!!!! Your advise is required please sir.

P.S. Please let us know how the Fralins work out. I'm thinking about some new pups and Fralin is on my short list.

Russ


You rang?

Treble RETENTION circuits (erroneously called, treble "bleed" circuits) are a waste of time, money and effort for traditional output single coils. They actually ramp up the treble as one lowers the volume and contort the overall dynamics of the pot. These circuits do have limited merit though with higher output humbuckers.

And Russ, your 2 cents is EVERY BIT as worth mine is!

Hi, martian I would not say they ramp up the treble because they are not adding any treble. All they do is allow some of the treble thats there to continue to the output as the volume is reduce instead of letting it bleed to ground. As you know the higher frequencies go to ground first your just keeping some so that it stays crisp sounding. I found the trick is to find the right values so that the guitar does not get to thin of a sounding.


I was using, "ramp up" in an audible sense rather than a technical sense. Of course I know with any inherent passive circuit, nothing will be found that is not already there.

Again, with traditional output Strat pickups, I find the treble retention circuit is predominantly useless; more audible placebo than anything else. And of course, we all strive for them most effective circuit via the most appropriate component values as SOP.

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