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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:09 pm
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Warmoth does not put all their truss rods in normal places. With a genuine Fender the truss rod is either at the headstock or at the heel. With some Warmoth models it is on the side of the neck. I don't want 22 frets either.

I would not agree Warmoth will build you a better neck. I just picked up a Fender Robert Cray neck that is superb. There is nothing at all wrong with Fender necks.

So you are talking about the Gotoh adjustment that is only on the pro neck. Warmoth does make vintage necks though and some of there necks are better then any you would get on a stock Fender guitar. As for the colors there is nothing wrong with there finishes. Vintage Fender finishes are nothing but auto paint the mix codes are common knowledge. 1000.00 you can build a screaming warmoth and the heck with the label it don't make it play better.

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What truss rod adjustment on the side of a neck :?:


CV, check this out:

http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Necks/SideAdjust.aspx

Yes but they are not the Vintage necks like I just told 357 that is a only on the Pro necks. I have only used theat Pro neck one time for someone. I find it hard to believe that someone can look at a finish and tell me if it's from fender or warmoth. I have been around these things a long time and I can tell ya if it's a cheap knockoff, a bad home brew or something but a well finished warmoth will stand up to any fender.

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I had a vintage white Warmoth body and it did not look like Fender's vintage white. I would not take the chance. And their sunburst finishes certainly wouldn't look like or as good as Fenders.

I could not get the Vintage model neck anyway since the radius is wrong. Either the radius is wrong or the frets are wrong or the truss rod adjustment is wrong or the paint is not likely to match.

There is no reason to think a Warmoth neck is better than a genuine Fender neck. That comment simply defies rationale.


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357mag wrote:
... That comment simply defies rationale.


How so?

Warmoth specializes in building guitars bodies and necks. I have seen a good many Warmoth necks that were better quality than the necks that came stock on Fender guitars.

I think you may be lusting for the Fender logo.

Sorry to have butted in on this; if you feel like you have it all figured out then be sure to post some pics if you ever get around to building your dream guitar. :)


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Mag, don't drive yourself too crazy trying to get the perfect Fender shade of Oly white. They weren't consistent over the years. Especially 'back in the day'

There was no computerized colour matching, so even when Fender bought from the same supplier (which they didn't always,) the colour could vary significantly from batch lot to batch lot.

Maybe you could find an unfinished body, and paint it yourself, or get it painted. You could maybe get a company to colour match a sample. Even if oyu find a photo that has the shade you want. Also remember if it's a vintage guitar you are comparing, there could be substantial fading, or yellowing of the lacquer, so that might account for any variance.

Good luck, I know how it is, when you have something in your mind, and you need to get it exactly how you want it.

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scarroll1 wrote:
357mag wrote:
... That comment simply defies rationale.


How so?

Warmoth specializes in building guitars bodies and necks. I have seen a good many Warmoth necks that were better quality than the necks that came stock on Fender guitars.

I think you may be lusting for the Fender logo.

Sorry to have butted in on this; if you feel like you have it all figured out then be sure to post some pics if you ever get around to building your dream guitar. :)

I think you are correct scarroll, for someone to say Quote (That comment simply defies rationale.) Must not have ever seen a warmoth quatersawn neck or there necks with the Tusq nut installed or there compond radius necks. Better then fender stock necks. There high end necks compare to fender custom shops for sure. You can spend 3 to 4 hundred for just a neck. And the paint finishes on fender vintage guitars were all over the place as said it was auto paint.

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It's apparent that the original poster is only going to be happy with an actual '62 strat and nothing else will do. Just give up on building the impossible and pay someone like Gruhn to snag one for you. This is the only thing that will satisfy, so why bother asking? Also as said previously, it took many guitars to find two that were a similar shade of any given color. Fender notoriously painted over finishes to get orders filled. It did not exist in the company's practive to shoot primer over a color that wouldn't show through; that was wasted money. So white over surf green, or daphne blue may look white, but not next to an originally painted white body.


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Joelski wrote:
It's apparent that the original poster is only going to be happy with an actual '62 strat and nothing else will do. Just give up on building the impossible and pay someone like Gruhn to snag one for you. This is the only thing that will satisfy, so why bother asking? Also as said previously, it took many guitars to find two that were a similar shade of any given color. Fender notoriously painted over finishes to get orders filled. It did not exist in the company's practive to shoot primer over a color that wouldn't show through; that was wasted money. So white over surf green, or daphne blue may look white, but not next to an originally painted white body.


Jesus man...

I never said I'm looking for an actual 62 Strat. I never even implied it. I have owned many a Strat in Olympic White and I've never had a problem with any of them. They have all looked like Olympic White. They have all been consistent.

My original question was why Fender has discontinued the Olympic White in the Classic 60's Series guitars. I don't care for these other colors like Burgundy Mist or Black or Lake Placid Blue. I'm wishing they were available in Olympic White or Shell Pink.


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Hi 357mag: I'm out to help. But I'm having trouble making these two statements go together:
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Unlike many other people on this forum I don't like the American Standards and the American Deluxes and the Hwy One and all those models. I just don't like what they've done to them. They simply don't have the vintage look. My Strats must have the vintage look.

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Yeah I love that [the AVRI '62]. But it would not make sense for me to purchase one since I am going to remove the neck and pickups anyway. I'd be paying huge dollars for what amounts to be just the body.

Am I understanding right? You'd like to buy a Classic 60s Strat in either White or Shell Pink just in order to get the body? You then plan to swap in a different neck and pickups? I'm not quite getting the "vintage authenticity" aspect of that - but never mind.

Far as white is concerned, there's plenty of options out there in addition to Warmoth (though their product looks good to me...). WD Music, for example. A quick Google will find you many more. But if you want it to age like vintage then you probably require a nitro finished body - and that doesn't come on the MIM Classic Series.

Regarding Shell Pink: there's a widely believed view that that color only came into existance when a batch of Fiesta Red finished bodies went wrong - but people liked it anyhow, so attempt was made to replicate it. Shell or Salmon Pink was born. So all modern Shell Pinks are only an imitation of a '60s imitation of a botched color - authenticity is pretty relative on that one. I think you could go with Warmoth's idea of it as well as any.

Now: I'm curious. What neck and pickups do you plan to install on this guitar? Do you have them already?

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357mag wrote:

Jesus man...

I never said I'm looking for an actual 62 Strat. I never even implied it. I have owned many a Strat in Olympic White and I've never had a problem with any of them. They have all looked like Olympic White. They have all been consistent.

My original question was why Fender has discontinued the Olympic White in the Classic 60's Series guitars. I don't care for these other colors like Burgundy Mist or Black or Lake Placid Blue. I'm wishing they were available in Olympic White or Shell Pink.


That's not what I said. I said it would appear that none of the options that have been posed are satisfactory to you, therefore a real '62 might be the best option for you. If it's discontinued and you can't get it as a custom option, what's wrong with locating a used guitar in the color you desire?


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If you simply must have a specific color that is authentic Fender then you should probably just tighten your belt and save up for a custom shop made to you specifications. problem solved. I felt the same way about Grafitti Yelow but my friend found one while he was stationed in Japan. Only difference is the poplar body which i have no quarrals about. :D


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Not necessary. Found a used American Vintage 62 in Olympic White. Beautiful.


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