Vinny, you have zero credibility on this subject, given your introduction here.

The strat servicemens copies appeared late in the Vietnam war. 69 or 70 at the earliest.

Patina comes from being dirty. part of that occurs with age, part of it because these things are crap and no one took care of them. look at the horrid state yours is in.

They tried to pass them off as old, old guitars weren't vintage yet, just old. They wanted to sell to soldiers who had almost no money. so they tried to pass em off as old guitars.

logo in question didn't come out til much later than 62. These guitars were made for a long time but not that early, but they made them at least until after the US pulled its troops. Although we know of them because they were sold to soldiers who brought them home, the primary market was impoverished regions of Asia.

Vinny, if you aren't intentionally deceiving anyone, you are deluding yourself.

After the help you received here at the outset you shouldn't be doing this. bad form.

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Show me the documentation not hearsay when the fake strats began to be made. All I have is markings of 61 and 62 serial numbers on the logo , I have seen other fake Fenders but none with a 62 logo. So if you want to investigate the truth with me show me the history documentation and pictures of these Vietnam strats till that happens and I seriously doubt you will show me anything it has to be sold with the identification on the guitar and sorry niki the metal on that vobrato is high quality as good as any Fender metal used.

Vinny! You haven't been talking with "The Non-Member" have you?

Thats a 68 logo

Earlier logos


70s style logo



Now i dont think i'm the only one who'd say lonely boys logo looks like the latter.

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That 63 -64 logo is incorrect as Fender states the 3 serial numbers came out in 62. The war ran from 59 -75. I have evidence showing a logo of 1962 vintage when that came out so this is the earliest fake known because of the 3 serial numbers. You cant even agree when the 62 serial numbers came out your info is laughable as I did read Fender released it in 62, 3 patented numbers. I am totally correct in stating they came out in 62. Lonely Boy is the oldest fake Fender in existance.

Vin! you can't believe any of the serial numbers on your strat! It's a fake with fake serial numbers. You can't compare it to a real Fender!

hoppy I dont believe logos anymore but I do believe in old patina real markings that say 61 on 3 places of that guitar and the aged neck and vibrato confirming a 61/62 age and though the logo is fake it has 3 serial numbers and the idea you are trying to plant in my head that fake strats only came out in the late sixties and seventies is laughable. As yet you cannot show me any evidence when the guitars were built released other than the fine example of Lonely Boy. And ps guys check your history of when the 3 serial numbers were released because I thought you knew it all but obviously you dont. These guitars were manufactured from 1959 - 1975 and are still being made now in Asia and now China is releasing almost perfect copies of Fender.

Wow!!!!!

http://tinyurl.com/vpopfk

All the 3 numbers you talk about mean is that the guitar was made after they came out. i could use those numbers today, it doesn't mean jack.
Look at your logo: disregard the numbers, look at the font styles

Compare to this:



Taken from http://www.provide.net/~cfh/fender.html

probably the single best resource for this stuff on the web.

Very clearly the Font on yours echoes the one introduced in '68.

That's all you need to know, to make it no older than that.

Info on these guitars is sort of sketchy, but it is believed they were manufactured into the '80's. They were primarily sold on the streets in Manila. Though they were in fact sold in the Philippines in a sporting goods shop called Teo Dor. [/img]

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Fhop leave it mate, your wasting your time, let him believe what he likes. Just look back through the this and the other thread. You'll see he only accepts what appeals to him at the time. Even the above logo's (taken from provide.net) are no good. Where does it end. . Anyone who is more prone to believe that a company making fakes traveled into the future to get this peghead shape and logo (bottom one)

Rather than just copied a bunch of numbers off some old strat to make their cheap guitar appear more authentic to the uneducated, isnt really worth discussing the finer points of logo dating with.
Its easy to sort out. After all the evidence thrown at him, if he persists theres no option but to reprt him to ebay. Give em a link to this thread.

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I give up Vinnypop. Believe what you want. Niki went out of his way to help you. What has happened to the vinnypop with the great demeanor we've come to know? Get up on wrong side of the bed? Peace and love vinnypop! Remember?

Niki well www.provide.net states in the history of the 62 strat that the 3 serial numbers came out in 62 read it. And then the site provides logos which you have just shown revealing they came out in 63 - 64. hhahahahahahah what a joke the site you plasted pics of logos cant even get its own facts right and you expect me to believe you and their site.
I will investigate directly with Fender.com when the 62 serial came out.
Yes drop it because untill I see real evidence which none of you have Lonely Boy stays for sale at the highest bid.

Vinny, you should really be ashamed of yourself. Your ad is full of unsupportable claims (i.e. lies). For example:


First of all, as many have mentioned, there is no way to prove that this is the first of its kind.

Secondly, you named the guitar. And outside the indulgences that the kind-hearted members of this forum have shown you, this guitar is not famous.

I know you will laugh this off with one of your stream-of-consciousness ramblings punctuated only by excessive meaningless letters. But what you are doing with this eBay ad is sickening. Your act is no longer charming.

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I really like all them "Aster" guitars. You know, like the Stratoc, Telec and Jazzm.

Enlarge the pictures. as you can see on the ones I posted each logo has it's date range written on it, the captions only refer to the large year range each grouped photo contains.

The twig you are clinging to of the '3 numbers' is meaningless. All it means is that someone saw those numbers, it can be anytime between then and now. but clearly the logo and Font are from the '68 into the 70's era.

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So vinny how did they copy a 70's headstock shape in 61/62?
Time travel? A psychic? Perhaps Mary appeared to them and drew it out on the ground?

And you call us laughable.

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It's sad to see Vinny's true colors! So long Vinnypop! Peace! Like you always say-"Don't worry"