6 point vibrato saddle question.

Mr Walley · **Joined:** Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:26 am **Posts:** 42

Ok, I have the intonation set perfectly, but I find curious my saddle position. I have it set up with 10-46. Floating 1/8" and returning to pitch every time. My question is, does anyone else have the low E saddle 1/16" away from the back stop? I had to get a spare spring out of my parts bin and cut it in half. The low E string is scaled at 25.75" for almost perfect intonation on all 21 frets.

Now for more information than needed.

e - 25 1/2"
B - 25 9/16"
G - 25 5/8"
D - 25 9/16"
A - 25 11/16"
E - 25 3/4"

stratdude83 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:09 pm

its hard to say...as always with these types of things there's a multitude of possibilities...but mainly i would make sure you always start with a proper setup...meaning the right truss rod adjustment, right height on the 1st fret on all strings, make sure your neck is straight and isn't leaning toward one side of the strings (when your looking down at the fretboard)...any wrong adjustments in these areas can affect the intonation of the strings...sounds like ur bridge height is about where it should be tho

Martian · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:16 pm

Moving the low E saddle way back to the point of the spring having to be shortened is a VERY common situation with the vintage tremolos. As a matter of fact, I think they are that way on all the low Es of my Strats with the vintage tremolos.

Mr Walley · **Joined:** Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:26 am **Posts:** 42

Thanks for the response:

Martian, It seems like it is common place then. My other strat has a modern two point vibrato and the E isn't as far back. This is what raised my curiosity.

Stratdude83, the neck is straight as an arrow side to side, with the proper relief, and no twisting. Like I said before, the intonation is spot on all strings on all 21 frets, (except the usual impossible to get G string on the 1st fret.) and the action is most desirable. The only thing left to do is to correct the stock nut slot depth and it will be perfect.

ronbeeglejr · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:18 pm

Martian wrote:

Moving the low E saddle way back to the point of the spring having to be shortened is a VERY common situation with the vintage tremolos. As a matter of fact, I think they are that way on all the low Es of my Strats with the vintage tremolos.

Most definitly. I've had roughly 15 different Strats in my 25 years of playing and I think everyone of them had to have the spring shortend or totally removed. It's nothing to worry about.

Strataholic · **Joined:** Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:28 pm **Posts:** 1956

I've had this problem on some of my Strats. What concerns me as much as the intonation is that I would expect the tone to go out of wack if I pulled the saddle tight to the backstop. For this reason I'll run the low E a tad sharp at the 12th and compensate with the A.

orvilleowner · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:37 pm

ronbeeglejr wrote:

I've had roughly 15 different Strats in my 25 years of playing and I think everyone of them had to have the spring shortend or totally removed. It's nothing to worry about.

I've shortened many springs over the years too.
I've never run without one, however.

stratdude83 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:50 pm

Mr Walley wrote:

Thanks for the response:

Martian, It seems like it is common place then. My other strat has a modern two point vibrato and the E isn't as far back. This is what raised my curiosity.

Stratdude83, the neck is straight as an arrow side to side, with the proper relief, and no twisting. Like I said before, the intonation is spot on all strings on all 21 frets, (except the usual impossible to get G string on the 1st fret.) and the action is most desirable. The only thing left to do is to correct the stock nut slot depth and it will be perfect.

Sweet! yea the actual nut formation will have a effect on intonation and may be a reason why its so far back...but as long as the intonation is set...who cares ya know!

ronbeeglejr · **Posted:** Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:46 pm

orvilleowner wrote:

ronbeeglejr wrote:

I've had roughly 15 different Strats in my 25 years of playing and I think everyone of them had to have the spring shortend or totally removed. It's nothing to worry about.

I've shortened many springs over the years too.
I've never run without one, however.

Yeah, when I had my repair business I ran across a couple of these. It basically ran right up to the back of the trem. I would have to shorten the screw to make it work. Another trick I used to do was to carefully grind away the back edge of the saddle to give me more travel to dial it in.

nikininja · **Posted:** Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:07 pm

Mr Walley wrote:

except the usual impossible to get G string on the 1st fret.

Thats not impossible, infact the high E - F# is harder to sort than the open G - A.
My deluxe with 2point trem has the low E pulled back all the way, no spring, saddle to back of bridge. My hotrod with vintage trem is fine, theres loads of room to play about with on it.

fhopkins · **Posted:** Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:59 pm

What you need is one of Nik's NinjaNuts !!

Guaranteed to improve intonation. Along with the above suggestions!

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