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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:00 am
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Which is supposedly why we picked up a guitar, right?. Not to become connoisseurs of wood grain and true-bypass cicuits... but to make music.

Well, yes.

Meantime, however:
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I would enjoy an article like this, maybe a book, that deep dives the physics behind these tonal factors. Its all very interesting.

Maybe one of these would serve:

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Books,_plan ... ology.html

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Books,_plan ... herie.html

http://www.amazon.com/Guitarmaking-Trad ... 803&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Tunining-Build-Gr ... 861&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Luthiers-Handbook ... 861&sr=1-2

Let me know when you've finished that lot and I'll suggest some more... :lol:

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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:27 am
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SlapChop wrote:
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A bunch of unsubstantiated ideas that must be taken on faith, adherents to various sets of these "truths" arguing endlessly with each other, the idea that there may be a common thread that runs through all of them...

"Tone" is a religion.

Which is fine. Just know that you are taking these things on faith.


Well, the really really really comforting thing, SlapChop, is that now we know that BOTH the Fender pros and the Gibson pros worship at that tone alter. Apparently, they believe there is a lot of factors that influence tone.

Just imagine how much variety one could come up with with an open mind, eh?


Imagine how much closer one could come to the truth with a transcendent mind... one that understands that "superstition ain't the way."

There's a Zen story about a student who got hung up on a line in the sutras that says "the day will come will even the rocks and stones will be enlightened." Why, this doesn't make physical sense... it's counterintuitive! How can rocks and stones become enlightened? He gets so worked up about it he can't meditate anymore. So he goes to his roshi and asks, "What does this mean, here, in the sutra?" And his master says, "What do you care how the rocks and stones become enlightened if you, yourself, are not?"

......If you are a bad player....

Which is supposedly why we picked up a guitar, right?. Not to become connoisseurs of wood grain and true-bypass cicuits... but to make music.


Now I always thought that bad was where its' at!


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Big Jay,

Thanks for the link. Good read.

But SO much is in the hands...'thiinknig Charlie Christian and Django, here....


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Thank you, Ceri!!! I'll check them out. Also, would you please tell me which books you wrote or contributed to? Those, Im sure, are the most valuable! :wink:


Well, I've glanced at a couple - is that good enough?

Honestly: if you read one or two of those through (the top two) you will immediately be the Forum expert on all matters "scientific". I just don't think you'll find anyone here to chat to anymore: we won't understand what you're talking about!

Incidentally: striking how all those "scientific" books are essentially concerned with acoustic guitars, isn't it? That's suggestive...

Cheers - C


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Well, Ceri, the facts are that few on these boards want to chat with me anyway because I speak incomprehendable nonsense. So, what's a little more gas on that fire, eh?


Codswallop - if you don't mind me saying so, with a big friendly smile on my face. :D

You do fine...

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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:15 am
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You are so polite. What is "codswallop" by the way?


Phooey. Baloney. Hogswash.

But said in an easy-going, jolly way that clearly is not meant to communicate anything other than a friendly, gentle punch on the arm.

As in; "C'mon, you know it ain't so..."

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