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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:07 am
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I still maintain machine error. The sheer number of guitars turned out each week by any of the fender plants would make hand finishing near impossible. Fender mexico turn out between 2500-4500 a week according to the target/acheivement chart on the wall of one of the factory tours. That means you'd need atleast 25 people doing level and crown jobs. You wouldnt want to do more than 100 level and crowns a week would you? The plek does it in minutes and doesnt need wages.

http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM01/article/Plek/Plek.html

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I still maintain machine error. The sheer number of guitars turned out each week by any of the fender plants would make hand finishing near impossible. Fender mexico turn out between 2500-4500 a week according to the target/acheivement chart on the wall of one of the factory tours. That means you'd need atleast 25 people doing level and crown jobs. You wouldnt want to do more than 100 level and crowns a week would you? The plek does it in minutes and doesnt need wages.

http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM01/article/Plek/Plek.html


I think we've been told that Fender don't use the PLEK in their factory production process, haven't we?

However, I agree with you that it must be a machine produced flaw (see my previous post).

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It may not be plek but some other machine they have developed. Look at all the money they spent on the air filteration system just so we can have nitro finished guitars. :D

Bet they put a lot into research of new tools.

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It may not be plek but some other machine they have developed. Look at all the money they spent on the air filteration system just so we can have nitro finished guitars. :D

Bet they put a lot into research of new tools.


Quite. As you say, with the quantities they turn out it would be amazing if they haven't mechanised that process as much as possible.

Off hand I don't recall seeing pics of Fender's fret dressing in factory tour photos, but I'd be surprised if they haven't come up with a professional version of this, possibly for filing as well as polishing:

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Fretting_su ... ml#details

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Fender Mexico turn out between 2500-4500 a week according to the target/achievement chart on the wall of one of the factory tours.

i appreciate everyone's support on this problem and of course info and insights, like you say there must be others with same issue perhaps even unknown to them,

my whole attempt is to get the word out and find others with same problem

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There is no dobt in my mind that the marks were made doing the fret crowning process and I have to believe they use a machine to do this. As Niki said with the amont of guitars they make you no this is not done by hand one at a time. But they are fret dressing marks in my opinion not likely bad frets to start. I have know clue as to how something like that could cause strings to break. Plus a good fret dressing may fix it anyway if it bothers you.

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Does fret wire come in precut lengths or is it spooled?

I wonder if a "fretting machine" ( mechanized fret system) grips the end of the fret length and the mechanism for controlling the wire made those marks.

It also could be a grinding or buffing wheel with some sort of burr that marks the wire with every rotation. Maybe the grinding or buffing wheel, sufficiently worn at its mechanical end of life, might have exposed screws or something that impacts the wire with each rotation. As the wire travels, relative to the grinder/buffer, the impacting burr would gouge at an angle.

This might be indicative of lax maintenance of the machine.

Bet its an MIM!!!! HAH HAH HAH!!!!!! :twisted: :P :P :P

Frets are set into place then pressed in. There precurved pieces you can see the tang on the bottoms in this pic.

http://angela.com/images/view.aspx?imag ... etWire.jpg

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Jay its nothing more than fret material built up in/on the grinding wheel. Leading to the file/grinder juddering along the fret, rather than moving (somewhat) freely.
Whilst i agree with Ceri's statement that you never see file chatter marks as uniform as those lines. I believe that is largely due to (in my case) never seeing a machine's chatter marks before. Chatter marks from human error are a lot more random. People are nowhere near as consistent in movement as a machine.
Truth be told those marks would more than likely rub out with brasso. I use their compound impregnated cloth for polishing frets.

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nikininja wrote:
Whilst i agree with Ceri's statement that you never see file chatter marks as uniform as those lines. I believe that is largely due to (in my case) never seeing a machine's chatter marks before. Chatter marks from human error are a lot more random. People are nowhere near as consistent in movement as a machine...


If nothing else, this thread makes me want to know more about Fender's fret dressing procedure. Hands; machines...?

I've had a bit of a look around amongst "factory tour" photos but not found anything helpful yet. We know that the frets are still banged in by hand - but that's as far as I've got...

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If they have come up with something its unlikely that they will let the public know. We know that Gibson plek their custom shop models. Fender guitars were designed from day 1 for high turnout. Given the amount they must spend in research and development i cant sensibly consider that each guitar is crowned by hand. Its time for (and a priveledge if) Rob Schwarz to chime in here. If company constraints will allow. I strongly suspect that if they have developed a machine its details are under lock and key.

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