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In a weird way, I got the last laugh. During the (not quite) five years we were married, there were two boys born, one on Jan. 8th of '76 and the other on Dec. 5th of '78. They are 33 and 30 now. She originally took them to Florida (where her parents had moved to) in the fall of '87, after her BF finally had enough and kicked her out. Less than six months later, she was in trouble with the truant officer and sent them both back to me. Each on their own (the younger first) eventually went back to FL to suckle. Point is, the older is a Heavy-Metal Bassist & the younger is a Deth-Metal front man who screams his guts out while eating the mic. Both are PT w/ day jobs. Where they find places to 'perform' ? eludes me, since the wang of the US (L@@K at a map) is replete with swamp and the elderly. Oh- and I'm sure she is even more proud of them than I will ever be. LOL

PS: The youngest was a real cute kid, leaving a lot of young hotties cryin' when he left. Now he's loaded with Tats and Piercings. Mighta been (IMHO) considered reasonably 'handsome' otherwise. WWF brag with music (?) behind the lewd and vile garble; I don't know how his larynx takes it. I never espoused alcohol or drugs (heck, I don't even do coffee or tea) but I'm fairly certain they both partake. What disgusts me the most is knowing they were decent kids before they 'went south'..... and the pun really fits. I'd guess those who live there (born there?) know better & avoid getting brain-fry from too much sun. A condition, no doubt, that affects some in the SW US and parts of the Pacific.... and that's probably my only &/or best excuse for tolerating (bbrrrrrrrrr) winter here in central NY. Besides, I'm not thrilled w/ bugs here in summer; year-'round, I'd go nuts!

my sister has been trying to get me to
move to clearwater fla. its not going to happen.


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Strat2004: Wow! Clearwater? LOL... Guess where her parents moved to & subsequently, both sons: the Clearwater, Tampa-St. Pete, Largo area. (I'm not sure exactly w/ their shifting around over time, but close.)

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Most of us agree that the VG is a great playing & super-sounding axe, but the negative comments were primarily about the design-engineering flaws. Things like the battery drain & expense and WHY it doesn't come with an alternate power capability, (either-or) like most floor pedals do. A lot of rack units come with an adapter for specific power needs that a wall outlet (direct) is too much for in any country, be it 110w or 220w, etc. No matter what, there must be a way to power the VG besides a battery. That seems to be the #1 issue here for most of us. Sure, some felt the guitar by itself should've been a higher-grade item with Noiseless pickups, locking tuners, etc. that Fender makes, but those seemed to take a back seat, complaint-wise. Personally, not having user-interface (for open-tuning alterations via a computer) wasn't up to this century's innovation level for me. Plus, not everyone can put those limited tunings to use for their needs, let alone even want them available. The option to have Eb, D, C#, C, B or F, F# & G, etc. quickly available for key shifts that make some tunes awkward for guitarists (relative to their vocal-ists range), would have been a thousand percent better, IMHO. Labeled 1, 2 & 3 or whatever worked best for three user-friendly tuning slots that the individual player could change and set to their liking. Even a memory card interface would've worked too. Something that could plug into the axe with an LCD readout and a few edit buttons for selecting your preferences. I think THAT 'a-loan' would've sent me running to the bank real quick. However, if what it does is enough to satisfy your investment, I'm glad you're happy, but my money expected.... no, Demands !!! a lot better technology for this day & age. To me, too many corners were cut, but at least now the price is down relative to its quality (as a normal guitar) & output value, technology-wise.


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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:42 pm
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Dear Fender:

The back to basics philosophy or 'Kaisen' that Guitarman1117 mentioned is-one basis for survival, and you can further consider the market feedback here, or Fender's employees opinions behind those already considered. It is not without saying that the voicings of the few, here, may well enumerate the opinions of many other customers.

It seems that this product was not understood at a pace in keeping with corporate expectations, and the current economic conditions were not ripe for a climb in sales to meet quota or line share. The advertising or marketing program was lacking!

The answer at this time appears to be continuing production at a slower pace with increased marketing expense/effort to increase sales.

Are you listening?

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I'm new to the forums but I'm not new to Fender so I'd like to say hi to everyone here.

I own a VG Strat (unfortunately for me I bought mine when it first came out in 2007 so I paid quite a bit for it), the 3 tone color one with a rosewood fingerboard. I personally think that the actual guitar is a pleasure to play, very well made and required a minimal set up for me. It also stays in tune quite well when strung properly.

I had bought a Line6 Variax 600 previous to this and while it sounded great clean, the playability stunk. It just wasn't a great playing guitar and no matter how much I tried to set it up, it still wasn't in line with the Fender nor my other guitars. The quality of the guitar just wasn't there (and it sounded "quacky" when distorted). So I sold that.

I think Roland's GK pickups are great, and I found myself wanting a 13 pin hookup for my VG strat. I think this was a big part of Fender's mistake. If you had that, you could drive synths and the VG flagship, but then what would be the point in having the VG already in the guitar (see this below)... Most people who bought the VG loved the concept but wanted more than Fender apparently thought it needed. Fender was trying to sell it to non-tech savy guitarists, but I think a lot of tech-savy ones bought it. Plus the battery thing is just silly. Then the "Diamondback" model (the humbucking Fender guitar) sounds too muddy for me....just a bunch of loud noise really.

Then there's the stock pups. They stink. At least put some noiseless ones in. I finally put in some Duncans (Everything Axe set) since the guitar was discontinued and wow now I have a killer guitar. It's quickly become my favorite guitar over my Carvin, Gibson, Godin and Schecter. If I knew enough about electronics I would try and see if I could turn the battery power off when switching to the normal mode, but I'm just not that savy. So instead, I take the battery thing out when playing, and put it back in when I need the VG stuff. Shouldn't have to, but hey, I like the guitar a lot and it feels great.

I personally think Fender should do this: make an american made strat, but give it either custom pickups or give it a SSH regular option with custom pickups (pearly gates in the bridge), then give the strat model, the tele model, a mahogany fat strat model and the acoustic models and the same tuning models. Include wiring that turns off the battery power when you play the guitar in normal mode. Give it a 13 pin output on the side of the guitar and allow the GK pickup to be powered through it, allowing you to use synths and the flagship VG if possible. Get with Roland to make it so you can download COSM guitar presets from the VG-99 to the Fender VG system itself, including tuning options (have you ever giged with the VG-99?). It would also be good if they included a stomp box, much like Line 6 did, where you can power the guitar through it as well as switch to another output type for the acoustic sounds going straight into a PA or mixer, which is the best sound for those type of models.

I think this wouldn't cost Fender a whole lot more than what the VG's were originally selling for, and it would provide a good deal of flexibility. It could also be bundled with the Roland VG flagship, albeit that would be an expensive bundle but an "ultimate guitar rig" for sure.


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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:49 am
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[quote="PrimitiveLyric"]

I purchased the FSR American Deluxe VG, which Guitar Center requisitioned and marketed last summer, taking advantage of the closeout sale last April. It was this guitar which I had hoped Fender would have built of it's own accord and of which I inquired of the Custom Shop when the VG was first issued. The CS said they would not build such a guitar.

The VG Deluxe has all the appurtinances of its parent less the S-1 switching system, plus their standard V-neck. I don't know that the neck profile suits you but taking the rest of your commentary at face value, this is likely the guitar you would have preferred.

It's possible that Fender R&D has a better mousetrap in the works. If so, I hope that the recommendations herein are being noted. There seems to be sufficient interest in an improved device enough to even have R&D post a check list on the Forum for input.

Personally, in addition to many of the other suggestios, if they could get that neck down to the likes of the '57 Hotrod, or the Clapton, I might go for it. What I plan to do with this one is put the Gilmour string set on the guitar. The have a heavier 6,5,4 which will lend something to the Baritone setting.

Returning to my original thought....with the right kind of cheese, they might sell a million of 'em.

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Most big companies have tripped over their shoe-strings at one time or another. Ford did it with the Edsel... and finally got it right w/ the Mustang. There is a long list of such examples I could post here (if I did more research) but I'm sure you know what I mean. What the heck.....
The top person in CA wasn't even born in the US and the wife has better genes, judgment & experience to keep the state from going under. The top person in NY is blind.... on & on.... how can we expect top business people to have a clear view of what their customers really want? If they aren't players & users themselves, they are taking a stab in the dark & betting on a guess..... some stabs draw blood, while others just poke out an eye..... and if you think the fastest horse is a sure winner, don't bet too much on the race unless you know the jockey personally.

Just because you've looked before you lept doesn't mean your feet will land on (what appears to be) solid ground. The only genuine guarantee that you've "gotten it right" is when your product can't be made fast enough for the demands of the customers.

Well-Off; is having more cash than you need.
Rich; is having more credit than you really deserve.
Wealthy; is having more money than you can possibly spend.
Filthy Rich; is having more assets than you can keep track of or count.
Disgustingly Wealthy; is Morbid and a totally gross insult to every poor, deserving human who ever lived. (So are the previous 4, but don't tell them that.... you'll probably get fired & lose your pension! LOL)


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[quote="Guitarman1117"]

.......and getting out of bed in the morning is no guarantee that you won't return in a body bag. :?

C'mon SEVEN!!! 8)

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I can't top that one.... don't even want to try... :P :twisted: :roll:



But then again:
If an asp in the grass is a snake, then why is a grasp in the azz a goose?


NOTE: Horses & mules are OK, but there's a definite robotic prejudice against their donkey-burro off-spring here. Since when is reference to your butt an obscenity? Dumb as calling a women's prison a penal institution, LOL.


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Guitarman1117 wrote:
I can't top that one.... don't even want to try... :P :twisted: :roll:

But then again:
If an asp in the grass is a snake, then why is a grasp in the $@! a goose?


Bend over in front of a goose while someone stands by with a camera.
You'll soon know what AAAAAFLACK :!: :!: really means, and be able to post it to YouTube to boot!! 8)

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If wishes were horses..... you'd ride with the wind....
Seems like you have a time-displacement problem there zzdoc.


BTW:
If the past-perfect of Sleep is Slept, what's the past-perfect of Leap? Lept?

I don't know.....
But, I do know the future-perfect of Peep isn't Voyeur.... it's Jail !!!! LOL


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Guitarman1117 wrote:
If wishes were horses..... you'd ride with the wind....
Seems like you have a time-displacement problem there zzdoc.


BTW:
If the past-perfect of Sleep is Slept, what's the past-perfect of Leap? Lept?

.>>>>the inflected form is leapt..www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/leap.


But, I do know the future-perfect of Peep isn't Voyeur.... it's Jail !!!! LOL

>>>>>then, pending preferences, you will behave accordingly 8)

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Just because I wear glasses and have the "fore-sight" to presume the off-set declination of a word doesn't mean the disease was named after me!

So there! :P :lol: 8)

I behave on behalf of believing beatings & beheadings behooves a beware of beastly behemoth beginnings because beelzebub's beguile and befoul bequests they not begot, but begone! ...... & Never besmirch a Smurf... you end up with Blue-Goo. hehehehe

A real NUT-Case (in training) is "on the Hi-way to Shell...." w/ apologies to AC/DC

..... Hey! If I weren't so stupid, I'd know better...... LOL :twisted:


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Guitarman1117 wrote:
Just because I wear glasses and have the "fore-sight" to presume the off-set declination of a word doesn't mean the disease was named after me! So there! :P :lol: 8)
I behave on behalf of believing beatings & beheadings behooves a beware of beastly behemoth beginnings because beelzebub's beguile and befoul bequests they not begot, but begone! ...... & Never besmirch a Smurf... you end up with Blue-Goo. heheheheA real NUT-Case (in training) is "on the Hi-way to Shell...." w/ apologies to AC/DC

..... Hey! If I weren't so stupid, I'd know better...... LOL :twisted:



Don't be so hard on yourself. Foresight of foreskin is forewarned 8)

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Hey Doc: It goes far beyond 'forewarned', and boy am I glad I'm "in tact" and don't belong to any 'chosen' group that mutilates innocents with some BS story about 'cleanliness'.... as ancient, out-of-date and moldy the ridiculous philosophy is (supported today by brain-washed greedy medical personnel who make a quick and easy buck from unnecessary 'surgery') I suppose if I shared a bed in the sand with camels, I might have a reason for concern over the issue. However, there are those people who go through life with their back to the future and give absolute credence to their ancestor's passe' rituals. Some, like the Amish & Mennonites, barely acknowledge the modern world and all of its forward-thinking technological advances. Many actually try to keep from losing their mind with an attempt to live partly in both cultures/societies, satisfying their parents, yet keeping in touch with their children. I can only imagine the difficulty of suffering the odors waffed up in an outhouse after using indoor plumbing. Shouting across the valley after talking on a phone &/or waiting for a response to a hand-written letter delivered by the post office after using a typewriter-keyboard and getting instant messages here on the internet. You'd think we didn't have access to fresh (treated) water, showers, bathtubs, soap and anti-biotics to maintain our general health with.
IMHO, if you're not moving forward, you're going in the wrong direction. By degree, there are 359 ways to be headed down an incorrect 'fore-shortened' path. If one wakes up and faces the absurdity, they will eventually stop placing random bets on a fixed roulette wheel and find their way out of the casino into the light of day. Some people get so used to wearing a hat &/or sunglasses that they forget to remove them indoors. It's complacency: so completely indoctrinated that the brain-soak includes the rejection of the idea ones grey matter was ever actually influenced. A way to lock the door and toss the key. Amazing, eh?


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>>>>>>[quote="Guitarman1117"]Hey Doc: It goes far beyond 'forewarned', and boy am I glad I'm "in tact" and don't belong to any 'chosen' group that mutilates innocents with some BS story about 'cleanliness'.... as ancient, out-of-date and moldy the ridiculous philosophy is (supported today by brain-washed greedy medical personnel who make a quick and easy buck from unnecessary 'surgery')<<<<<<<


Nobly stated. However, in that evidence based medicine finds a higher incidence of specific pathologies of a genital occurrence or genital/genital or oro-genitally transmitted vector, where one or both of the individuals concerned are, as you so elegantly describe , 'in tact', a strong public health policy position has been put forth in support of 'dis-intacto separation', whether spiritually or temporally advocated.

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