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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:06 am
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It just seemed to synthetic to me. I still love the sound of nicely wound pick ups. Kind of like the difference between tube amps and solid state

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stephenr66 wrote:
It just seemed to synthetic to me. I still love the sound of nicely wound pick ups. Kind of like the difference between tube amps and solid state

with the tech of the past 6 years solid states are
sounding just as good as some of thoes tube amps
out there and they just keep getting better.


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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:25 am
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So true ics1974. Just a couple little switches would have done the trick too... 1 for the on-off battery & a on-off-on 'pitch shift' type for Eb, E & D. How nice would THAT be? I remember doing some gigs back in the early 70's with a singer & a beat-box.... he liked doing a tune that was a complicated piano thing in Eb.... (lots of chords, strange changes & weird voicings, etc.) I tried to work it out in both D & E on guitar (which would have made it much easier for me, obviously) BUT.... his vocal range and the melody range was an exact fit.... only in Eb..... rats! I sure could've used such a key-changer on that one!

Later on, in the early 80's I was playing bass w/ a pianist & drummer. We were auditioning singers and the electric piano had a slider that altered the output key relative to the played key. THAT certainly simplified the process and was so quick and easy, some of the vocalists thought the keyboardist was a monster-genius..... LOL, (not that he wasn't super anyway and a pleasure to work with.)


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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:28 am
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here a couple of great solid state Amps.

CRATE GT1200H
THIS AMP KICKS!! plain and simple as that
from metal to warm tones this amp does it
it sounds very much like a tube amp.
because thats what it was made to do.
it's no longer available. if you find one
GET IT!


Marshall MG 100HDFX with the FDD switch.
sounds very much like a tube Marshall to me
thats what the FDD switch does give's it that
tube sound. i use it along side 2 1982 Marshall JCM 800's
and it works just fantastic with them.


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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:36 am
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I know simulation is getting ever closer to nearly perfect, but I suspect it's like the unending math of inching by halves. IE: You never actually reach 100%. With all the time, money and tech-brains poured into 'simulating' all the nuances of a tube, it just seems to me that it would be a whole lot easier to simply find a way to extend tube life, don't ya' think? What the heck, they turned the basic light bulb from a few months of life into a curly-Q seven-year long-life with less draw on the electric bill and still retained the brightness with less wattage AND less heat.... Amazing! Plus, in the long run, they cost a lot less... more up front, but divide that down and it's super-cheap. Here's my point: The American space program spent millions to invent a pen that would operate in weightless space... the Russians sent their people up with PENCILS! Duhhhhhhhhh.

Besides, the term 'simulation' is just a tactful way of avoiding the term 'immitation'...... which is blatant for "not the real thing".... or "close, but no cigar"..... which may explain why serious audiophiles still prefer vinyl over digital. The further technology takes us into the future, the more we loose touch with the past.... IE: If another Ice Age hit us tomorrow, who would survive it.... 'modern man' or a cave man? We need to face facts.... sometimes 'old' technology has advantages that modern 'advances' just can't immitate or simulate. Build another pyramid and add one to Giza anybody?

NOTE: In my humble opinion, (& as much as you may like/love your Crate) any one of my 3 amps (Mesa Boogie Studio 22, Vox AD60VTX & a Marshall VS100) will blow an all-transistor Crate out the window.... especially tone wise, but then all of mine all have at least one pre-amp tube, LOL. I'll give you this much though, I do use all-transistor amps for bass. One has to have the power-punch in the low range and hi-wattage transformers for tubes weigh a ton..... just not worth it to me. Any tone loss is negligable and I'm very much into really good tones. OK, so simulation (Crate or any brand) is good enough for some, but not for all....... yet. (Didn't mean to offend..... remember, it's only my opinion.)


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Well said, Esteemed Colleagues.

On 'emulation, modeling, simulation,' for this picker, it's easier to live with in amps than guitars. If the Variax and old American Standard Stratocaster are both out and tuned, arm almost always reaches for the real thing rather than the (admittedly very excellent) modeled sound.

In this opinion, the VG Stratocaster would have succeeded if it had full Line 6 Variax 25-instrument guts, includung no need for battery. As would likely an MIM version thereof and one of of Tele, especially if the Tele could have used Variax Acoustic 700 guts.


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It's a neat guitar, but not something that anyone really "needs". If you've been playing for any length of time, you've got amps and rack gear and stomp boxes already that make the majority of the same sounds.

So why buy the guitar?

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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
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[quote="Guitarman1117"] Well, it's an interesting electronic gadget, not unlike many of those already employed in signal chains, only this one is on board. So though it's gone the way of all flesh, I had my dealer track down and bought the FSR American Deluxe VG, cause I always wanted one with a V-neck, brand new and dirt cheap compared to last summer when it was released.

Like using that baritone setting. Can do some serious Duane Eddy and Peter Gunn with that :wink: Also serves in a pinch when your bass player's girl friend drags him off to a wedding on the night of a really big gig!

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mthorn00 wrote:
... If you've been playing for any length of time, you've got amps and rack gear and stomp boxes already that make the majority of the same sounds. So why buy the guitar?

Reasons (just my opinion...):

1) High quality: Besides the extra electronics, the guitar itself is built to higher "deluxe-level" standards. The wood alone for a VG (especially a burst) is not going to be taken from the stacks used for MIA Stds.
2) Gigging: Having the acoustic simulator and key changer can make live gigs much easier.
3) Investment: With few made and a low $999 price, there is a good chance that a VG could really rocket up a bit in price.

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01GT eibach wrote:
mthorn00 wrote:
... If you've been playing for any length of time, you've got amps and rack gear and stomp boxes already that make the majority of the same sounds. So why buy the guitar?

Reasons (just my opinion...):

1) High quality: Besides the extra electronics, the guitar itself is built to higher "deluxe-level" standards. The wood alone for a VG (especially a burst) is not going to be taken from the stacks used for MIA Stds.
2) Gigging: Having the acoustic simulator and key changer can make live gigs much easier.
3) Investment: With few made and a low $999 price, there is a good chance that a VG could really rocket up a bit in price.
Possible , but doubtful.My local GC has 3 of them and since the price drop, they havent moved and no one has even shown any interest.


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... GC has 3 of them and since the price drop, they havent moved and no one has even shown any interest ...

That's my problem. I have the "interest", but not the money ... :lol:

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I wouldn't get one as an investment. Nobody wants them. Supply and demand is what drives the market. There is no demand for them.


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i never thought the VG strat was anything special
in the first place.


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i just got done playing one at guitar center and to be honest i was impressed but bummed at the same time..I wish they would have put in better pups locking tuners and all the stuff an American standard has..The whole idea is cool and has some major advantages over standard guitars i could take this guitar on stage and it would easily cover all my tunings but there is just something that i can't put my finger on that has me turned off..And as dumb as this sounds i think this may be part of it..I love Strats and and even some other guitars i like owning several of them if i bought this guitar i would have no reason to buy more as this one would cover everything i want to do ..As dumb as that sounds i truly for me believe that is part of it...And although this will cover the different tunings this one guitar cannot give the vibe and sounds of 5 different guitars..In my opinion each guitar has it's own unique sound that cannot be gotten from an electronic machine...


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[quote="Invader.CC"] The guitar you didn't play was the FSR Fender American Standard Deluxe VG Strat which was commissioned by Guitar Center last summer. V-neck, locking tuners, SCN pickups, Aged Cherry Sunburst finish on ash body. When I bought mine in April there were about 35 left nationally. We had some discussion about that on another thread about 6 weeks ago which is where I learned they were still around. Maybe a GC dealer can find you one. Should cost you about $1200.

This guitar and its features are a supplement, not a replacement, for others you may own. There are features in it you can bring to bear. Forty years ago, with my '58 Strat, I used to play walking bass lines with my trio. I would have liked to have had that VG then, with a set of heavy strings. Yes, we had the Bass VI, but the VG is a horse of a different color.

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