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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:25 pm
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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:31 pm
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My mistake. Just skimmed the email I received. Upon further review I believe you are right. They have a different model Strat (GC-1 GK Ready) for interfacing to the Roland synths, but the new G-5 VG seems to be nearly identical to the previous VG. Kinda makes you wonder what is going on with that. I am very happy with the one I own, but I really don't see anything to make me want to get rid of it and get one of the new ones. Guess we can all see later when they hit the stores. Sorry about putting out bad information and maybe getting people excited for no reason.


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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:43 am
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My mistake. Just skimmed the email I received. Upon further review I believe you are right. They have a different model Strat (GC-1 GK Ready) for interfacing to the Roland synths, but the new G-5 VG seems to be nearly identical to the previous VG. Kinda makes you wonder what is going on with that. I am very happy with the one I own, but I really don't see anything to make me want to get rid of it and get one of the new ones. Guess we can all see later when they hit the stores. Sorry about putting out bad information and maybe getting people excited for no reason.

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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:13 am
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My mistake. Just skimmed the email I received. Upon further review I believe you are right. They have a different model Strat (GC-1 GK Ready) for interfacing to the Roland synths, but the new G-5 VG seems to be nearly identical to the previous VG. Kinda makes you wonder what is going on with that. I am very happy with the one I own, but I really don't see anything to make me want to get rid of it and get one of the new ones. Guess we can all see later when they hit the stores. Sorry about putting out bad information and maybe getting people excited for no reason.

You should never feel sorry about geting people excited!

No harm done here at all. I agree with your observations. Does make one wonder what they were thinking. My VG is the FSR Deluxe V-neck Age-Cherry. It's a beautiful guitar, and I'm sure we're not going to see the likes of that coming forth from Fender/Roland again. It would make more sense to retrofit a favorite player with the after-market Roland System than to buy one of their factory products.

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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:06 am
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I read about 2/3rds of this thread. Wow, been going on for a long time. I don;t think I can add much to this discussing as most everything has been said, BUT I WILL TRY!

I think part of the problem with the "modeling" type guitars is that many people who own a certain guitar do so because they want to own "that guitar." Many guitar players tend toward "old school" thinking thus the large vintage market that drives up cost of "old" and "collectable" instruments. "purists" one might say. There are a lot of guitar players that simply think "old is better." So then when some look at this techie guitar, they think, "Who would want one of these new gizmo abominations!" Some have a hard time moving forward with new ideas, especially with something iconic as a Strat guitar. I think this also affected the Gibson Robot guitar.

Also, as pointed out already, if a person who wants a Tele sound, they really wants a Tele guitar (or any other guitar that is modeled.) It is not only the sound but the FEEL and LOOKS. I admit, this is why a guy should have at least 3 guitars, all of different flavors. I get in a "guitar rut", I put away one guitar and then start playing a different one. Wow! New inspiration comes! The feel is a nice change. The looks are "like wow, I really like this guitar." All of that is to a degree lost in a modeling guitar.

BUT NOW AFTER SAYING NEGATIVE THINGS, I am a techie guy an love new toys. I talked to a Fender forum member on the phone last night for quite some time. He has a lot of guitar (like me) so we like to talk guitars. This thread came up in the discussion. He told me he recently bought the new Variaxe by Line6 that was the Strat style guitar. He said he really digs it and when he wants to do something different, he plays it. The ability to go from a Strat to a 12-String on the fly is nice. And he added that the 12-string sounds amazingly real, as well as many (not all) of the other models. (seems like he paid a lot for a guitar made in Korea, but he said one is paying for the technology. And he added the quality of the one he has is excellent.)

So now he has me wanting a VG Strat. I have my eye on a few 2007 models, BUT then fender releases at NAMM (which was mentions just a few posts back) that they are releasing the new VG Stratocaster G-5 See: http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/namm-2012-roland-and-fender-unleash-vg-stratocaster-g-5-524687 Not a lot is said here about what new features are part of this guitar. Did they address some of the old VG issues? Is it worth the money to buy the new when good used older ones are to be had for a lot less???? :? :? :?

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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:19 am
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It appears that this one is going to have to be auditioned on its own merits. I'd have to do so to see what extent it differs from my '08 FSR Deluxe. It's not configured for a patch to the Roland Synth and it is said that Roland is readying a new Stratocaster which is. Much of what has preceded in this thread pretty much covers the gamut of feeling about the technology and whether Fender or Line 6's product gives the user what they seek is pretty much a matter of personal preference in the short term. The rate at which they are being superceded by new technology is incredible.

As to longevity of value, I can tell you that I, in a moment of pure loss of mind, swapped out a '62 Fender Concert Amp for a Line 6 Axys modeling amp about 10 years ago. These Line 6's [of any vintage] can be found gathering dust in dealer's used gear sections at a very little cost, whilst I've seen upwards of $4K being asked for the amp I foolishly gave away.

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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:28 am
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In France what people complain about, is that when you break the battery holder, which happens frequently I understand, it's now totally impossible to get another one.

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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:35 am
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There was a whole issue on that on the part of a member from Australia. He was referred to Fender Parts. Might contact Michael Roberts at Consumer Relations for the part number and more.

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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:52 pm
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Also, as pointed out already, if a person who wants a Tele sound, they really wants a Tele guitar (or any other guitar that is modeled.) It is not only the sound but the FEEL and LOOKS. I admit, this is why a guy should have at least 3 guitars, all of different flavors. I get in a "guitar rut", I put away one guitar and then start playing a different one. Wow! New inspiration comes! The feel is a nice change. The looks are "like wow, I really like this guitar." All of that is to a degree lost in a modeling guitar.

Well, I turn 63 in a month. I have a LP, a Highway One Strat, a VG Strat, a Jazz Bass Special and a Fender FB-58 banjo and love each of them. But the one I consistently reach for the most is the VG Strat. It has a nice variety of possibilities and doesn't take a computer or engineering degree to program it up. Very usable in a live setting. Not that I haven't thought about trying to get a deal on a new Variax.

Maybe it's just me, but I love the sounds and the feel of this guitar. And no, I am not trying to sell it.


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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:35 am
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Just to back up on Alain's observation for a moment, one can hope that they've not changed the design of the battery box. That would solve the part dilemma.

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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:04 am
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zbumifu wrote:
Also, as pointed out already, if a person who wants a Tele sound, they really wants a Tele guitar (or any other guitar that is modeled.) It is not only the sound but the FEEL and LOOKS. I admit, this is why a guy should have at least 3 guitars, all of different flavors. I get in a "guitar rut", I put away one guitar and then start playing a different one. Wow! New inspiration comes! The feel is a nice change. The looks are "like wow, I really like this guitar." All of that is to a degree lost in a modeling guitar.

Well, I turn 63 in a month. I have a LP, a Highway One Strat, a VG Strat, a Jazz Bass Special and a Fender FB-58 banjo and love each of them. But the one I consistently reach for the most is the VG Strat. It has a nice variety of possibilities and doesn't take a computer or engineering degree to program it up. Very usable in a live setting. Not that I haven't thought about trying to get a deal on a new Variax.

Maybe it's just me, but I love the sounds and the feel of this guitar. And no, I am not trying to

sell it.


I sold mine but I just enjoy the fact that you love yours. I hardly ever played it so it had to go.


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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:47 pm
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I picked up a Blizzard White Pearl VG up for $899 at GC in 5/09. Its no where near worth the $2300 list, but its well worth $800-1000! You get a great american Strat. with sometimes useful bonus electronics, (like on the spot drop g tuning). Also, you can take the battery pack out & pop the cover back on... & its then a reg american strat at a lower price on closeout. Not a bad deal for a USA Made Stratocastor with perks! :D


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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:25 am
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I have one that I bought from ebay. I have used it live but the Roland sounds are probably more useful for recording. I like the 12 string effect. Batteries and the blue light are a problem, it needs on off switch.


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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:21 am
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A guy I work with has one that he bought and plays in the church. He uses all Line 6 and he loves it.
He talks about it all the time, says the battery lasts ok and he never had any problems.
I ask him if he wanted to install any noiseless pickups I work on his stuff.
He said he can just switch it to humbucker and it sounds fine.
I would never get one or a Line 6 virtual guitar either but he is real happy.

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Post subject: Re: What Killed the VG Stratocaster ?
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:02 pm
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I'm just going to throw this into the debate ...


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