Doc i adore scn's. 3 of my guitars have them and i couldnt be happier. I just cant bear the prospect of more money down the drain when i'm more than happy with the vintage noiseless and mid boost.
I may try a TBX or no load tone pot on the hotrod to help thin the humbucker out a bit.

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[quote="nikininja"]Doc i adore scn's. 3 of my guitars have them and i couldnt be happier.

You have them in the '57HR among others, and I have them in my VG-Deluxe. In reviewing the thread the OP may have been confused a bit. Your position, as I've understood it to be, was that the Vintage Noiseless alone, were not to your liking thus you added the midboost circuit. i remember when you undertook that project. It was a matter of some discussion here.

I do not know if there is another model which carries the VN pickups other than the Clapton. They may be in the Classic Player or something like that. Can't remember. Someone out there surely knows.

I seem to have read somewhere herein that the VN's were designed to supercede the Laces because they wanted a bit more high end. Eric does most of his soloing at or above the 12th fret from what I can see. I prefer the darker feel of the Laces.

I would not discount the intent of having pickups with visible pole pieces to confer a more vintage look to the guitar. Lace sensors were a dramatic departure from that.

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The only other model as far as I know that has the Vintage noiseless pickups other than the Clapton is the Deluxe players strat. I purchased a loaded pickguard from a vender because I wanted the pickups to use with a Clapton midboost kit for one project and the push/push 7 way bridge on switch to use with another,I then got lazy and mounted all of this to a perloid guard and mounted it to a 57 reissue.I am unhappy with the tone and after much adjustment think that I'm going to install the midboost kit to see if it helps as many others have stated and use the push/push switch on another project.I really like the SCN's but already have 4 Strats with them and want to experiment with something else,although I have another set of new SCN's in my stock.cheers,Craig

Yeah, I'm not to happy with my VNs. They're just way too bright for me. I'm hoping that adding a mid-boost will make them a little less bright sounding. And installing the mid-boost is probably cheaper than buying new pickups and I can have the whole Clapton thing going.

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If your a fan of claptons mayal recording you will love the boost. Its the only sound i can think clapton is after with that mid knob on 6-8.

As i stated before, the boost kit isnt an easy answer. It requires a lot of getting used to and working of controls. Once your used to it though you wont get by without it.

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Niki, what is the mod actually doing. Thanks Mike

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<<< The only other model as far as I know that has the Vintage noiseless pickups other than the Clapton is the Deluxe players strat.>>>>

Craig: Thanks for putting me right on that. I had the feeling I was in there somewhere. They keep coining all these names and changing their stripes so often, I tend to lose track.

Doc

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Cherokee.
It puts a mid boost onto the pickups. The boost is centered around the low mids and is always present atleast a little bit even when the mid knob is on zero. Turn the mid knob up and the pickups start moving into paf territory around 4-6 and iommi type madness at 10. Couple that with the TBX tone pot and 50k volume pot and you get some very usable tones from country twang to sabbath bloody sabbath. Lowering the volume reduces the overall gain and increases the treble presence somewhat. The TBX in its center position is a bit of a strangled tone (with the mid pot on zero) normal tone control on ten, when its set to 10. It increases bass as you go from 5 -0. Its very interactive with the volume control but both dont seem effect the tone of the mid boost section.
Kind of hard to explain but if you listen to the guitar you'll hear it.

My problem with the vintage noiseless was never too much treble but rather not enough body. Both treble and bass were adequate out of the pickups. The mid boost added the body i wanted.

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You're roger on the EQ'ing for the guitars with a TBX but remember that Eric's guitar, as with the Masterbuilt and Custom Shop versions, carries a conventional tone pot, not a TBX. (Man, we've been down that road big time around here.), hence, there's something else in the mix.

I was always given to understand that the midboost is on full for him when he wants that overdriven effect.

Doc

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Doc you toy with us.
You know better than anyone he constantly plays with the guitars controls. He does seem to put the boost up and lower the volume when he wants a clean lead sound. I saw a quote by Lee Dickson (cant remember where) that all the eq'ing aside from EC's guitar adjustments is done at the desk.
A testement to the skill of that stage crew.
MY sound engineer cuts me an evil look whenever i dig that guitar out, she just cant predict the onstage guitar volume for mic'ing and balance it at front of house for solo's.

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Thanks again. I understand it much better now.

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You're right, treble's probably not the best way to describe it. So if the mid boost adds fullness to the sound, than that's what I'm after.

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Actually....the word is......FULLNESS

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[quote="nikininja"]. I saw a quote by Lee Dickson (cant remember where) that all the eq'ing aside from EC's guitar adjustments is done at the desk.
A testement to the skill of that stage crew.


I have enough in my collection of his recent tours to speak to very subtle but detectable differences in tones depending upon the house, and who know what else.

On the live tour 2001 "One More Car, One More Rider", he has David Sancious on keys and guitar. On "Layla" you have Clapton and Sancious' guitars moving back and forth between first and second, yet tone setting for David's is nearly the same as Eric's.

You ought to find that track and give it a listen. A tour de force.

'Cocaine" on that recording is quite different from the Winwood concert. The latter captures the feel of the original on '411 Ocean Boulevard'.

Again, what's characteristcally Clapton is the soloing on the high frets, with that crying sustain, the intricate and subtle quality of the string bending, augmented by that incredible vibrato delivered though a vertical motion of the forearm.

You can drive yourself nuts looking for the holy grails of tone on players like Gilmour and Clapton but one look at a closeup of their hands will tell you that electronics is only the medium.

The message is in the player.

Doc

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I just found this.

http://store.guitarfetish.com/cstmidbocidr.html

Why is it so much cheaper than Fender's? Does it matter which one I use?

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