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I could of gone on but ran out of letters :lol:

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Niki I am a computer programmer by day so I will provide you with the unicode character set when you add cyrilic, armenian, hebrew, greek, etc you are talking > 1000 characters/letters :lol: :lol:


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I agree with Slap. What he is saying is, Strats are Strats. For the most part they are very very similar. The tolerances in manufacturing are reasonably tight. Are their exceptional ones, yes probably a few, and are there real dogs, probably a couple slip through. But for the most part they are high quality, and consistent.

I know people point to the plucking a 'B' string when they're hanging and feeling the bout (lower round part farthest from the neck.) But I have yet to find a strat that doesn't vibrate that way once it is set up. Mine always did that, and to tell the truth I bought into that little gem for years. I would diligently check everytime I checked a Strat out. I would brag to my friends.

But (and this is the killer,) a close friend who had an early 80's Squier Bullet(that I now regret not buying for $50.00 when he needed some money, and he sold to a guy who smashed it at a punk gig,) came to me complaining his guitar was sounding dead, it never did before, no strat, but close. Out of habit I did the check, and just as I figured, dead as a doornail.
But we pulled the strings, cleaned it up, used the 2 e string method to adjust the neck, and put it through a full set up. It sounded great, like disconcertingly close to my Strat. I did the hanging 'B' string test, and damned if it wasn't humming away. My bud said it was the first time anyone had gone through a full set up, it was like a whole new guitar. So if oyu go to a store and do the 'B' string test, check how the guitar plays too, I bet you'll find it needs a set up.

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In firearms, there used to be (still is?) a concept called "One in a thousand" and "one in five thousand."

It is a statistical concept which pretty much "states," when mass-produced parts come together in a mass-production environment, the vast majority of products off the line will be of "average" quality, operating within the tolerance specifications and quality parameters.

A few will be the "Monday/Friday car" or "lemon,' and a few will be tight, well-made, well-finished above the average. The old statistical Bell Curve."

And every now and then there will be a sucky production guitar or an exceptional one.

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8) there is no such thing as a bad strat. kinda like sex . there is no bad sex just some is better than others. provided your married. :lol:

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Bruno.

Greatly exaggerrated importance is not the same as no importance. Woods do affect tone, just not as much as most people think.
I'd offer that unplugged sound is a basis for amplified sound. How you judge the way one equates to the other is a mystery though. Nobody can say for sure that (A) body wood of (B) shape with (C) neck and (D) board with (E) headstock shape and (F) tuners using (G) strings of (H) gauge passing over (K) bridge is going to sound amplified. Especialy when you have to consider (L) amplifier (M) pickups (N) Height (O) setting (P) pots of (Q) rating connected with (R) wire of (S) gauge. Thats all well before you start getting into the realms of (T) neck relief, (U) neck pitch, (V) nut material, (W) slot depth (X) string height (Y) bridge float and (Z) fret level.

All offer an effect on overall sound some more than others. You cant define the way your guitar sounds to only body wood. There are far too many variables involved.


For the record, I never said "only body wood". In fact, I think there are far more variables involved: wood, body thickness, bridge/trem, scale length, set neck vs. bolt on etc. (lets not even start on Nitro vs/ Poly or Stainless vs. Nickle Silver frets) All of these things effect the tonality; to what degree there are many debates on this forum. If you read further I said "after that, I plug it in".

I think we are really on the same page here. The acoustic timber of the instrument is a result of most of the letters of the alphabet (your list not mine). Essentially, this is the mechanical structure of the guitar. There is no faking that. If a guitar sounds bad acoustically, it will always sound bad.

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nikininja wrote:
Bruno.

Greatly exaggerrated importance is not the same as no importance. Woods do affect tone, just not as much as most people think.
I'd offer that unplugged sound is a basis for amplified sound. How you judge the way one equates to the other is a mystery though. Nobody can say for sure that (A) body wood of (B) shape with (C) neck and (D) board with (E) headstock shape and (F) tuners using (G) strings of (H) gauge passing over (K) bridge is going to sound amplified. Especialy when you have to consider (L) amplifier (M) pickups (N) Height (O) setting (P) pots of (Q) rating connected with (R) wire of (S) gauge. Thats all well before you start getting into the realms of (T) neck relief, (U) neck pitch, (V) nut material, (W) slot depth (X) string height (Y) bridge float and (Z) fret level.

All offer an effect on overall sound some more than others. You cant define the way your guitar sounds to only body wood. There are far too many variables involved.


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Bruno Lucite strats that were recently of interest on this forum and also parker fly dont sound good un-amped. They do sound great with a bit of power through them though.

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nikininja wrote:
Bruno Lucite strats that were recently of interest on this forum and also parker fly dont sound good un-amped. They do sound great with a bit of power through them though.


That is a matter of opinion...I happen to think most of the Parker Flys that I have played sound just fine unamplified. They sound different, but they sound fine...and very consistent I might add.

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Bruno.

I'd offer that unplugged sound is a basis for amplified sound.

All offer an effect on overall sound some more than others. You cant define the way your guitar sounds to only body wood. There are far too many variables involved.


Again, we agree.

For the last time (because I am done with this circular argument) I never said "only by body wood". In fact, I never said wood in my original statement at all. I was referring to the entire guitar as a system. Everyone fails to notice the last statement in my original post.
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After that, then I plug it in.


I did not mean to suggest that once a guitar passed the acoustic test, you were done. Nor did I insinuate that the wood is the main component of the sound that is heard. If that is what was taken from my comments, I apologize.

I guess reading is skill.

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No need to apologize and yes your right i need to stop speed reading.

Hey atleast we agree more than we disagree. :wink:

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Now i feel like your just egging me on to get down to bletchley and demand they sell me a head cover.


No, I'm not trying to pressure you into a purchase. I was just pointing out that what you thought was a cover was actually a nice padded case! With bonus accessory pocket (for power cords, speaker cords, etc).

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Since i got that attenuator the blues jr is up for sale. I'm not straying from marshall again, from crystal to blistering all on a guitar volume control. so a case seems to be a requirement now.

Happy days are here again.

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Since i got that attenuator the blues jr is up for sale. I'm not straying from marshall again, from crystal to blistering all on a guitar volume control. so a case seems to be a requirement now.

Happy days are here again.


Hmm. I hate to be quite so shallow - especially after everything you and others have said about that amp. But what is your one finished with - tolex or tweed? (What am I: five years old? :D )

I have a notion you've done some mods to it, right? Speaker and such?

No advertising permitted here - but if you put it on Ebay a little hint dropped elsewhere might be... interesting.

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Its a 97/98 tolex. The speaker is still the original one. The only mod i made was to allow the middle tone pot to produce no middle on zero. That was the easiest mod i've ever done to anything. Its simply a wire from the middle lug of the middle pot to the outer left lug of the same pot. Also i took the reverb tank as far from the transformer as possible to cut noise down.

Dont buy it mate. Borrow it if you want and then make your mind up. I couldnt recommend this amp to anyone.

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nikininja wrote:
Its a 97/98 tolex. The speaker is still the original one. The only mod i made was to allow the middle tone pot to produce no middle on zero. That was the easiest mod i've ever done to anything. Its simply a wire from the middle lug of the middle pot to the outer left lug of the same pot. Also i took the reverb tank as far from the transformer as possible to cut noise down.

Dont buy it mate. Borrow it if you want and then make your mind up. I couldnt recommend this amp to anyone.


Ah, then it was Mr SlapChop that changed the speaker and valves on his, wasn't it?

I have absolutely no NEED for that amp, and also have been taken aback at the adverse comments on it of people who's ears I respect.

And yet. I've liked the couple I've plugged into in shops and it's only because cash wasn't in the pocket at the right moments that I haven't made that frivolous purchase already. Frankly, I have a shrewd idea I'm just a simple soul and easier to please amp-wise than the big boys... :D

If you Ebay it, then just drop a mention in the right place and at worst you can have an extra pair of eyes watching your sale, and perhaps taking part...

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