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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:43 pm
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May I interject here.
I have no opinion one way or the other about speakers and pickup magnets. However Bill Lawrence has something to say about it on the last paragraph of this page.
http://www.billlawrence.com/Pages/Pickupology/magnets.htm

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nikininja wrote:
May I interject here. I have no opinion one way or the other about speakers and pickup magnets. However Bill Lawrence has something to say about it on the last paragraph of this page.
http://www.billlawrence.com/Pages/Pickupology/magnets.htm


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That your pickups lose some of their magnetism when you lean your guitar against an amp is nothing but a fairy tale.


I suppose that's because your pickups don't get close enough to the speakers' magnets AND those magnets aren't powerful enough to affect the pickups' pole pieces.

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I was reading frontline when EJ strat was released, and I thought "what a load of cod". I mean come on, its an electric guitar with 2 bits of wood bolted together... how simple can I make it? I remember reading that he even got right down to the pick guard screws and the differences on tone they made?... please correct me or tell me to shut it, as I think thats overkill. Reading also, a comment from the designer of the EJ strat mentioning how EJ was back and fourth numerous times changing parts and making requests "because they affect tone", I was beginning to wonder if EJ was measuring "sonic frequencies" or whether he was undiagnosed OCD.

Gone where the days where all artists requested to have made/recreated was 'Old Faithful' - the same axe they played for years, in the favourite colours. Fav neckshape, pickups, headstock/logo, colour- you get what im saying.

Remember- majority of us donot own instruments that where built by a master luthier made from exotic planks of wood as expensive as your new 50 "HD television- and those who build such instruments- (i.e master violin makers or at the bottom of the pile, acoustic guitar makers) probably dont care for bolt on guitars, or wouldnt piss on them if they were on fire. Im not slagging you all, all im trying to say is, how can someone be soo tone anal, on a guitar as such as a bolt on, where a good portion of the tone is lost through the neck joint or hard finish? whats so tonefull about a piece of plastic or metal screwed to your guitar? I was allways told when I did my apprentiship that its 20% wood tone, 80% pick-ups/amp. Then again, the most expensive paint brush in the world, wont make you Da Vinci. Having said that, EJ isnt one that id ever play through my car stereo...

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Hi Blertles: Eric Johnson's not at the top of my play list, so I have no particular reason to stick up for him.

But to be fair, not everything about that guitar is justified on tonal grounds. From what I remember, the countersunk pickup screws on the front of the pickguard was for aesthetic reasons, for example. Just a perfectionist little touch. And the slightly shaved front to the headstock and staggered tuners are to remove the need for a string tree, which is more functional than tonal. And of course the 12 inch radius 'board is about feel.

On the other hand, it is true that tonal claims were made for all sorts of aspects, from the particular hard-to-source copper wire in the pickups to the absence of the trem cavity cover.

Whatever: I've only handled EJ Sigs in shops, but it certainly seems an especially playable and well made Strat. At the least, the sum of its parts. I'd be glad to have one.

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I was beginning to wonder if EJ was measuring "sonic frequencies" or whether he was undiagnosed OCD.


I can assure you that he is very much a diagnosed obsessive compulsive - by all of us here, for starters!

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I was beginning to wonder if EJ was measuring "sonic frequencies" or whether he was undiagnosed OCD.


I can assure you that he is very much a diagnosed obsessive compulsive - by all of us here, for starters!

:lol: - C[/quote]

Hahaha he definately is :D yes I do remember the practical things he added too- though things that could be changed, me personally, Im a traditionalist. even though things on a strat may annoy over time, I wouldnt change them for the world. :)

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We all know Eric Johnson makes some wierd claims on what affects his tone (which is killer though), and although they sound a bit off, most of them can concievably actually do something. I was reading mays guitar player and Matthias Jabs from the Scorpions was talking about how when he got a certain new guitar, he would keep it on stage, even though he wasnt playing it because "the sound frequencies from the speakers moving through the wood changed its tone". Apparently, his ear is so spot on, he can sense tonal changes on the molecular level. :roll:


No science supports this. It's voodoo.

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orvilleowner wrote:
Of course you may interject!


I suppose that's because your pickups don't get close enough to the speakers' magnets AND those magnets aren't powerful enough to affect the pickups' pole pieces.


Why thankyou.

Notice he does have a lot to say on the storage of pickups and using keeper magnets. So presumably the distance between speaker magnet and pickup is the key factor.

I wonder how much vibration a guitar body has to go through to get any effect on tone? It must be a colossal amount.

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nikininja wrote:
Notice he does have a lot to say on the storage of pickups and using keeper magnets. So presumably the distance between speaker magnet and pickup is the key factor.


"Distance" is how the pole pieces get magnetized in the first place (or you can reverse the polarity of the magnets to make a non-RWRP set of pickups into a RWRP set of pickups).

Scroll down at the link to see how one can "charge" raw pole pieces.

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