It is currently Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:49 am

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
Post subject:
Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 11:34 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:42 pm
Posts: 602
Location: New York, New York
BigJay wrote:
CWPainter....why do you distinguish between the Marshall and the Twin, regarding string guage and tone?

Are you saying the Twin picks up the difference when the Marshall doesnt?

Can you explain your comment a little?

Thanks.


First.. Just in case you all were wondering my name is Chris Painter.. So you can call me Chris (if you want).

As for my comment- the Twin is an extremely transparent amp with a huge power section and a relatively weak pre amp and no master volume. This means that it will respond much more to input changes (bigger strings and stronger pickups will send a stronger signal). It could be said that using bigger strings on that amp is comparable to turning up the channel volume (if there were one).

My JCM 800 is also a very transparent amp but it has a very strong preamp and a master volume so by simply giving the pre amp a little more push I can achieve basically the same thing.

_________________
Custom Shop '59 Strat with John Cruz Master Design Pickups
Vibro King
Fulltone Clyde>Deja-Vibe>TS-808>TS-9>Boss Tuner


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject:
Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 11:45 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:21 am
Posts: 527
I used 9's for many years, and switched to 10's on my strat. It took very little time to get used to them, but now my other guitars strings feel too floopy. The tone difference is pretty small, it may be more between 9's and 12's, but 9's to 10's is minimal. I think once you have cemented your style and technique, you have to use similar tensions on your strings or it messes with you. Once you change, change them all

_________________
Guitars:
1. mid 70's Ventura MIJ Gibson l6-s clone (Pre-lawsuit) in Black with Rosewood FB and EMG 81 BR/ 85 Neck
2. ESP KH2 Neck Thru
3. 2008 Am Std Strat in 3 tone sunburst


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 12:32 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:48 am
Posts: 7
I play with DR 10's on my MIM HSS Strat. took me a little time to get used to them, but I wouldn't go back now. when I play guitars in the shop, the 9's they have them strung with feel flimsy.

With regard to heavier strings = stronger signal, you have more metal (heavier strings) moving through the magnetic field created by the pups. more metal moving in a magnetic field = stronger signal.

take your time to get used to the 10's. you'll like em, and you won't break as many high E strings (i used to break em all the time)


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 12:32 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:21 am
Posts: 527
Try this:

With 9's, I believe the second string is a 11-13 guage. So tune your B string to E and you can A/B the tone difference by playing the same parts on the E and B strings both tuned to E. I find its minimal, more of a feel thing than a tone thing to me...what do you think?

_________________
Guitars:
1. mid 70's Ventura MIJ Gibson l6-s clone (Pre-lawsuit) in Black with Rosewood FB and EMG 81 BR/ 85 Neck
2. ESP KH2 Neck Thru
3. 2008 Am Std Strat in 3 tone sunburst


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:21 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:42 pm
Posts: 602
Location: New York, New York
Jay- the physical characteristics are fairly simple; bigger strings need more tension to ring the same note as a lighter string. More tension means that the object in motion will tend to stay in motion longer and also will require more energy to move it from stop. Also, larger strings have a larger surface area for pickup magnets to 'pickup' on.

As I said before, it is more a case of how it changes your pick attack, etc. than anything else.

_________________
Custom Shop '59 Strat with John Cruz Master Design Pickups
Vibro King
Fulltone Clyde>Deja-Vibe>TS-808>TS-9>Boss Tuner


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:31 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:21 am
Posts: 527
cwpainter wrote:
Jay- the physical characteristics are fairly simple; bigger strings need more tension to ring the same note as a lighter string. More tension means that the object in motion will tend to stay in motion longer and also will require more energy to move it from stop. Also, larger strings have a larger surface area for pickup magnets to 'pickup' on.

As I said before, it is more a case of how it changes your pick attack, etc. than anything else.


Hi

I don't understand. I would think the tension would act as friction and cause the string to vibrate less and have a smaller amplitude given the same pressure applied. This seems like it would hurt sustain. Also if the magnetic pull on the larger string would be greater giving it less sustain.

To me I would think higher guage have an greater attack with a faster decay time. What am I missing? :?

_________________
Guitars:
1. mid 70's Ventura MIJ Gibson l6-s clone (Pre-lawsuit) in Black with Rosewood FB and EMG 81 BR/ 85 Neck
2. ESP KH2 Neck Thru
3. 2008 Am Std Strat in 3 tone sunburst


Top
Profile
Post subject: 10s
Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:39 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:08 am
Posts: 2265
from 9s-10s does take little getting used to.
i like playing shuffle style and sometimes hit my chords hard when im emphasizing a phrase. so i prefer 10s. tonewise, well it sustains a little better but not a total improvement. to my ears and hands 10s sound and feel perfect.
oh, i forgot the point i was trying to get at.
try elixers 10s, they are slick. i have those on my les paul.
if your planning on changing them back to 9s,reconsider.


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:53 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:42 pm
Posts: 602
Location: New York, New York
Well, I'm still finishing up my correspondence degree in mechanical engineering so don't take me too seriously.

Tension does reduce amplitude but increases frequency which is why increasing tension on a given string will result in a higher note. But make that string heavier and now the heavier string is throwing more weight back and forth and thus bringing amplitude back up.

As for magnetic pull reducing sustain- this is valid but the effect is lessened as the string gets larger because of the aforementioned phenoms so the lower pickup/more sustain theory is not as applicable to those using gigantic strings.

_________________
Custom Shop '59 Strat with John Cruz Master Design Pickups
Vibro King
Fulltone Clyde>Deja-Vibe>TS-808>TS-9>Boss Tuner


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 2:16 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:21 am
Posts: 527
BigJay wrote:
Chris Painter.....FirstStrat.....excellent excellent excellent.

Im really interested in understanding the physics behind this stuff, even if its not too impactful.

Chris....it might be simple for an engineer but Im an economist/business analyst. We know nothing.

You referenced inertia (spelling?), but doesnt this imply sustain, as FirstStrat suggested?

How does string gauge affect tone?


Well, thinking through this further, I am thinking that the extra mass of the string may offset the additional tension, so that is a wash. So now, sustain may come down to the magnets pull on the string. If the magnetic pull on the string is equal for all guages, higher guages will have greater sustain

I wonder what is acctually going on? I notice very little

_________________
Guitars:
1. mid 70's Ventura MIJ Gibson l6-s clone (Pre-lawsuit) in Black with Rosewood FB and EMG 81 BR/ 85 Neck
2. ESP KH2 Neck Thru
3. 2008 Am Std Strat in 3 tone sunburst


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 3:32 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:42 pm
Posts: 602
Location: New York, New York
The magnetic pull is not equal on all strings. As it was said earelier, the pole pieces are staggered to fit the radius of the neck as well as compensate for the differrent strength of the strings. Notice that Low E is not much louder than the high E. Which goes to my original point that pickups and amps affect tone much, much more than string size.

_________________
Custom Shop '59 Strat with John Cruz Master Design Pickups
Vibro King
Fulltone Clyde>Deja-Vibe>TS-808>TS-9>Boss Tuner


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Go to page Previous  1, 2

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: