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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:05 pm
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Looking forward to reading that thread SlapChop! :) :wink:
This one has been enjoyable! :)


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Another thing to remember is that output of like pickups in different brands of guitars can be because of the placement position of the pickups in the design to the bridge and the scale length of the guitar. Thats why a bridge pickup and a neck pickup sound so different when there the same pickups. Move that neck pickup closer the the bridge by an inch you are going to change the sound. The closer you get to the bridge the more drastic the change becomes with less movment towards the bridge. Builders have to take into acount mass, scale, positioning and type of pickups when trying to get the sound they want. There are so many factors that can occur in any given guitar and effect the sound it crazy

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I like to play certain things with the eq "flat" or all in the middle position. I think this can depend on the amp, because no-one likes a truely flat sound. However, I think its a great way to get the amps natural voice. With my amps, and a bit of gain that can be cleaned up by rolling of the guitar volume, I get an excellent blues to classic rock type tone. The scooped sound is for metal only really. I notice that when you turn up loud, it can also be a blessing in disguise, even though not so inspiring at low volume. With that, I was unable to view the OP's video.

I believe there is a difference in the woods used in various places on the guitar. The string vibrates more over the fingerboard than it does any other part of the guitar. The body is under only about 1/3 to 1/4 of the vibrating string length. The vibration reflections from the fingerboard would have an effect on the vibrating string imo, which would get transferred to the pickups.

Also, look at the number of common body woods vs common FB and neck woods. There are several body woods that get used (mahagony, alder, ash, basswood, popular, agathis) but generally on three FB woods (maple, RW and Ebony). On more exotic and rare guitars, you may see something different, but in general terms, not many FB woods. Why?

Why was the solid body guitar invented in the first place....well the hollow body guitars would resonate way to much and you get a ton of unwanted feedback at high volumes. The solid body was developed to minimize body resonance and feedback. Les Paul made his first with a railroad tie, how is that for a tone wood? Yet it accomplished his goal. Hollow body guitars sound great at low volumes and clean channels, nice big notes. But all the extra resonance becomes a problem at higher volumes and/or higher signal processing (distortion). The frequencies become too much for most amps and the sound gets muddy. Solid body guitars sound thin in comparison, but that works and sounds better under high volumes and distortions.

Ever notice that metal guitars like jackson, ibanez and esp can sound thin clean? Yet they are perfect for high volume high distortion. The best of the bunch use a maple neck thru. Maple is very dense and can sound bright and thin clean, but they work when the volume and distortion goes up.

So for a guitar played clean at lower volumes, more body resonance=good
A guitar played loud and distorted, less resonance=good

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CWPainter....let me ask you something about your views on this....

You have said (paraphrasing) that the body/finish is not materially important, especially considering all the electronics many use to manipulate the sound of the guitar anyway.

Do you apply that line of reasoning to all guitar components that affect tone? What about pickups? Wouldnt it be just as reasonable to say the pickups dont matter either?

As I've said before, I can run my strat through the Garage Band software on my Macbook computer and make it sound like a vintage Les Paul, or a violin or even a flute.

If your strictly correct, why would I care at all about anything on the guitar exept playability?


Pickups are one of the biggest shapers of tone on an electric guitar. I was not saying that the fretboard wood is completely inconsequential, just pretty far back in the list of things that most ears can hear. The biggest factor here is who is playing it. Someone like SRV who really digs in will exaggerate these slight differences, let's not forget about fret size either. Some players hardly ever end up actually touching string to fretboard.



Just for the hell of it, here is my list of tone factors starting with the most important to me (not including fingers):

1. body wood (including quality and other things like routing)
2. pickups/wiring
3. finish (lacquer only for me)
4. bridge construction and material/nut
5. neck size
6. fretboard material

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cwpainter wrote:
BigJay wrote:
CWPainter....let me ask you something about your views on this....

You have said (paraphrasing) that the body/finish is not materially important, especially considering all the electronics many use to manipulate the sound of the guitar anyway.

Do you apply that line of reasoning to all guitar components that affect tone? What about pickups? Wouldnt it be just as reasonable to say the pickups dont matter either?

As I've said before, I can run my strat through the Garage Band software on my Macbook computer and make it sound like a vintage Les Paul, or a violin or even a flute.

If your strictly correct, why would I care at all about anything on the guitar exept playability?


Pickups are one of the biggest shapers of tone on an electric guitar. I was not saying that the fretboard wood is completely inconsequential, just pretty far back in the list of things that most ears can hear. The biggest factor here is who is playing it. Someone like SRV who really digs in will exaggerate these slight differences, let's not forget about fret size either. Some players hardly ever end up actually touching string to fretboard.



Just for the hell of it, here is my list of tone factors starting with the most important to me (not including fingers):

1. body wood (including quality and other things like routing)
2. pickups/wiring
3. finish (lacquer only for me)
4. bridge construction and material/nut
5. neck size
6. fretboard material


On my list it would be 2, 4, 1, 5, 6, than 3. 8)


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I'm with you fellers 8)


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Martin make a completely composite acoustic guitar that sounds great. It's also Eco friendly. Snowy bought one and posted a sound clip in the acoustic guitar section. Listen to it and ask Snowy72 how he feels about the sound. Just thought I'd throw that into the mix! :wink:


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Gibson make a completely composite acoustic guitar that sounds great. It's also Eco friendly. Snowy bought one and posted a sound clip in the acoustic guitar section. Listen to it and ask Snowy72 how he feels about the sound. Just thought I'd throw that into the mix! :wink:

Check out the Flaxwood guitars for Eco friendly fhop.

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fhopkins wrote:
Gibson make a completely composite acoustic guitar that sounds great. It's also Eco friendly. Snowy bought one and posted a sound clip in the acoustic guitar section. Listen to it and ask Snowy72 how he feels about the sound. Just thought I'd throw that into the mix! :wink:

Check out the Flaxwood guitars for Eco friendly fhop.


I was wrong CV it's a Martin and I can't find the sound clip. I swear he told me he posted a clip but it might be on another site we talk on. Ask him when you see him! :oops:


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I'll check out Flaxwood too CV! Thanks! :wink: :)
Here is a link to Snowy72's . About half way down.
http://www.fender.com/community/forums/ ... 8&start=90


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I'll check out Flaxwood too CV! Thanks! :wink: :)
Here is a link to Snowy72's . About half way down.
http://www.fender.com/community/forums/ ... 8&start=90

Thats interesting they say its a high presure laminate (HPL) but they don't say what type of laminate. Is it a wood byproduct or is it a man made laminate product.

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I have no idea CV but Snowy told me he saved a tree! He also says the guitar sounds wonderful! I'm glad for him and I'd rather have a Martin anyway! :wink:


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fhopkins wrote:
I have no idea CV but Snowy told me he saved a tree! He also says the guitar sounds wonderful! I'm glad for him and I'd rather have a Martin anyway! :wink:

Your not going to go wrong with any Martin guitar.

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