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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:01 pm
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I would refinish this thing. The relicing looks bad. Unreal.

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Good pics, sgtvdub; thank you.

I'm looking at the way the paint has chipped off around both strap buttons. Could this be polyester rather than nitro? Within which case it is a MIM Classic Series '50s body rather than the previously suggested Custom Shop.

Which would help explain the previous owner's preparedness to carry out that rather awful (to my eye) relic job.

For what it's worth, I suspect you have the Surf Green version of this:

http://www.fender.com/products//search. ... 0131002340

Though I've never seen under the hood of a Classic '50s, so I have no basis for comparing the details, such as the neck pocket and that barcode sticker.

But thick-ish polyester with no different colored primer underneath would fit these pics...

What's catching my eye is the countersinking of the six trem screw holes and neck bolt holes. Part of the relic-er's work, or have people seen that on factory fresh guitars?

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Thought all modern mexican bodies are hsh routed

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nikininja wrote:
Thought all modern mexican bodies are hsh routed


Hi Niki: my understanding is that the Mexican Reissues have more or less period accurate routing. But I've never seen it with my own eyes, so I stand to be corrected...

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EDIT: Ah-ha! Here's some good pictures of a year 2000 Mexican '50s RI pulled apart.

http://www.gwfweb.com/guitars/images/mi ... index.html

This one's Daphne Blue, but everything checks out - 'cept the barcode. That could mean the OP's guitar is more recent. Relicing aside, his paint is much better applied too, which would confirm what we've heard about rising standards in the Mexican plant...


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In guitarplayer or guitarist magazine a couple of months back there was a big thing on the roadworn. There was a picture of justin novac with a body blank. I remember them being the same as all other mexican bodies aside from finish. I'll dig it out scan it and post it to be sure.

The paintjob on the guitar is a refinish. Perhaps its a 70's stained finish body with a poor paintjob applied ontop. It would explain the luxurious wood colouring exposed by the forearm wear. Perhaps even the wriggley worm route too.

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nikininja wrote:
In guitarplayer or guitarist magazine a couple of months back there was a big thing on the roadworn. There was a picture of justin novac with a body blank. I remember them being the same as all other mexican bodies aside from finish. I'll dig it out scan it and post it to be sure.

See the edit to my previous post...

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The paintjob on the guitar is a refinish...

Why do you think that? I obviously can't say to contrary with any certainty, but I'm seeing no evidence of a respray...

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The neck pocket. I initialy thought it was neat but changed my mind. Those raggedy edges and the build up of paint at the front of the pocket. The worst i've seen is a 5mm band all around the edge but that was smooth, flat and sharp lined.

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The neck pocket. I initialy thought it was neat but changed my mind. Those raggedy edges and the build up of paint at the front of the pocket. The worst i've seen is a 5mm band all around the edge but that was smooth, flat and sharp lined.


Mmmmm...

Not a hint of the previous paint though. Not impossible, but a pretty fine stripping job, if that's what it is. Much at odds with the quality of the relic'ing.

I'm looking at the second to last picture, above. Inside the trem cavity and the front sides of the pickup cavities. Not a smidgen of a previous finish there, where the green paint has barely touched the wood. It's possible to get every last scrap of lacquer off places like that - but it's tough going! I'm seeing no trace of previous paint in the screw holes, either. Now that's dedication to the art of stripping!

Whatever: good quality photos always add to the fun, don't they?

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What's catching my eye is the countersinking of the six trem screw holes and neck bolt holes. Part of the relic-er's work, or have people seen that on factory fresh guitars?


That countersinking of the trem screw holes is on the recent MIM bodies I've seen.

As I said on page 1 of this thread, the trem screw hole spacing will confirm it's Mexican.

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Ceri wrote:
What's catching my eye is the countersinking of the six trem screw holes and neck bolt holes. Part of the relic-er's work, or have people seen that on factory fresh guitars?


That countersinking of the trem screw holes is on the recent MIM bodies I've seen.

Then that more or less confirms the factory paint job, doesn't it?
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As I said on page 1 of this thread, the trem screw hole spacing will confirm it's Mexican.

Indeed. So far the OP hasn't felt like revealing the answer. It would pretty much close the story, wouldn't it?

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nikininja wrote:
In guitarplayer or guitarist magazine a couple of months back there was a big thing on the roadworn. There was a picture of justin novac with a body blank. I remember them being the same as all other mexican bodies aside from finish...


Ah-ha! Just found that picture: February's Guitarist no. 312, page 89. "A worker displays a finished '60s Road Worn Strat body"... The one he's holding up has period correct routing including the "worm" wiring ditch. Except that the body also has the two CNC holes, one in the pocket and one beneath the pickguard.

So at least no-one will ever confuse that for the real thing...

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That countersinking of the trem screw holes is on the recent MIM bodies I've seen.

Then that more or less confirms the factory paint job, doesn't it?


Yes. I'd say so. It's Mexican. And it's alder, not ash.

Check out some "naked" bodies at www.pickersparts.com . I'm sure there are other "chop shops" out there that sell Fender parts and have some good pictures. It's good to know what's under the hood, no?

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As I said on page 1 of this thread, the trem screw hole spacing will confirm it's Mexican.



There, I went and dug around until I found a ruler! The trem hole screw spacing is 2 3/16" or 55.56mm

Does that confirm its country of origin? Thank you all for your input, much appreciated.

I gotta agree with everyone here...the relic job looks a bit forced. On the front of the heel, it looks like someone just sat there and picked at the paint with their fingernail until it flaked off.

I wonder if this guy did the relic job?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQ3oLKBxhc


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