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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:57 pm
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start with a small tube amp with a over drive channel then after you get some licks under your belt buy a wah pedal that will be a good start Ive been a lead guitar player in a funky bluesy rock band for 10 years and i only use a ts9 a 535 crybaby and a old boss dm2 analog delay since i have no reverb in my amp (a 72 bassman) and once in awhile ill throw in a mxr dyna comp compression to add a bit of evil to the ts9

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Ok, I know that this is kind of an old thread but here it goes.

Here are some cool effects:

1. Wah pedal (I prefer the orginal Crybaby)

2. Some sort of distortion (I prefer the Boss MT 2, but I play Metal and Blues)

3. Chorus (I use a Boss CE-2)

4. Flanger (I do not have one except on my amp)

5. Equalizer (I use a Boss EQ-7)

6. Delay (I really like the Boss DD-7, it has a lot of cool options)

Play them through a cool amp. Tube amps are cool, but expensive. You should have at least a 30 watt amp to play with a band, smaller if you are practicing alone. It is more fun to practice with others. Most of all--just have fun and experiment. RK

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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:59 pm
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hm. i'm a bit of both. you should get your techniques down first, but tweaking around with effects in your "spare time" is cool too, keeps it interesting.

i'm a blues guitarist myself, i practice with and recommend the:
vox valvetronix XL30 amp, http://www.justplaymusic.com/product.php?productid=186.
it has a great sound + its great for beginners, in my opinion, complete with 11 model amps and built-in effects. plus 2 channels. so there's no need for you to buy an effects pedal!

there. problem solved. ;p


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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:12 am
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Martian wrote:
Welcome!

NICE axe for a beginner!

Seeing that you are a beginner, I recommend against ANY effects. The problem with beginners using this stuff right away always creates crutches for them which may or may not last a lifetime. Get your playing technique together first before you start influencing it with 'toys'.

FWIW, I've been playing over 40 years and I can count on one hand, the times I've used them.


I agree totally w/ Martian, get your clean playing down first. I had a ton of pedals and decided I really needed to get back to basics, so I sold them ALL except for my Boss Chromatic tuner and my original cry baby wah (kept for sentimental reasons - I don't ever use it).
Once you can play clean then I would experiment with pedals. Just my opinion.

Good Luck, btw, nice guitar - congrats.

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Post subject: Tube screamer?
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:19 am
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What is a 'tube screamer', The name suggests a over-driven tube amp sound.

Is is:-

A) A distortion pedal (output signal distorted)

B) A pre-amp (output clean, but amplified, so overdriving the amp)

Seems a daft question, but if it's 'B', it would only work properly on valve amps.


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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:31 am
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The tubescreamer is a much overrated overdrive pedal from ibanez. Its characteristic midrange honk makes it good for lead boost on a overdriven amp, but thats all its good for. Its price of £160 in no way justifies its performance. It was a decent pedal in the early 80's, its been far surpassed since. Digitech make the bad monkey pedal which does much the same job and costs £20. Better range of eq control. Arguably not as authentic a drive sound but it doesnt matter much when all you can use it for is to boost a already driven amp.

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Post subject: Re: Tube screamer?
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:04 am
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adriandavidb wrote:
What is a 'tube screamer', The name suggests a over-driven tube amp sound.

Is is:-

A) A distortion pedal (output signal distorted)

B) A pre-amp (output clean, but amplified, so overdriving the amp)

Seems a daft question, but if it's 'B', it would only work properly on valve amps.


It can be both. The Tubscreamer is made by Ibanez and is, in my opinion, a decent sounding overdrive pedal. Other ones that I like are the BOSS SD-1 Super Overdrive and the Fulltone OCD, but they all do more or less the same things. Most OD pedals have three controls, two of which are very important: volume and drive.

If, for example, you like to play late at night but without headphones, you can use it as a distortion pedal. In this case, set your amp to room volume and then keep the drive high and volume low on the pedal. This will give you a relatively good sound at a low volume. It serves, more or less, the purpose of a master volume. On my main amp, a Pro Junior, I don't have a master volume so I'll often use this trick if only because I don't want to infuriate everyone else in the house.

Where overdrive pedals really shine, however, is in front of a tube amp set at high volume. Once you get a good tone (say, right at the point of breakup) dialed into your amp, set the pedal so that the drive is virtually off and the volume is high. Once you engage the dirt box, it will have the effect of "kicking" the amp's own natural distortion up in both saturation and volume. This occurs because it "amplifies" the signal from the guitar such that it is far more robust when it hits the first preamp tube. In cases like this, and particularly if you're looking for warm blues/rock tones, keep the drive relatively low; if you don't you risk creating a lot of mud from your dirt.

As for the Tubescreamer itself, I must confess I don't own one, but I've played them lots. They are good pedals, but they're expensive and, in my humblest of opinions, better deals can be found elsewhere. If your budget is under $100, I'd say look around for a BOSS SD-1. If you are willing to spend more, any of the Fulltone boxes are good. I've also got many, many good things to say about the Way Huge Pork Loin. It sounds ridiculous when you say it, but when you plug it into your amp, it sounds amazing.


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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:10 am
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univibe, fuzzface and a vox wah are all i need.


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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:57 am
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Thanks! I'm learning a lot!

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Post subject: Re: Tube screamer?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:22 am
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Vulkan wrote:
adriandavidb wrote:
What is a 'tube screamer', The name suggests a over-driven tube amp sound.

Is is:-

A) A distortion pedal (output signal distorted)

B) A pre-amp (output clean, but amplified, so overdriving the amp)

Seems a daft question, but if it's 'B', it would only work properly on valve amps.


It can be both. The Tubscreamer is made by Ibanez and is, in my opinion, a decent sounding overdrive pedal. Other ones that I like are the BOSS SD-1 Super Overdrive and the Fulltone OCD, but they all do more or less the same things. Most OD pedals have three controls, two of which are very important: volume and drive.

If, for example, you like to play late at night but without headphones, you can use it as a distortion pedal. In this case, set your amp to room volume and then keep the drive high and volume low on the pedal. This will give you a relatively good sound at a low volume. It serves, more or less, the purpose of a master volume. On my main amp, a Pro Junior, I don't have a master volume so I'll often use this trick if only because I don't want to infuriate everyone else in the house.

Where overdrive pedals really shine, however, is in front of a tube amp set at high volume. Once you get a good tone (say, right at the point of breakup) dialed into your amp, set the pedal so that the drive is virtually off and the volume is high. Once you engage the dirt box, it will have the effect of "kicking" the amp's own natural distortion up in both saturation and volume. This occurs because it "amplifies" the signal from the guitar such that it is far more robust when it hits the first preamp tube. In cases like this, and particularly if you're looking for warm blues/rock tones, keep the drive relatively low; if you don't you risk creating a lot of mud from your dirt.

As for the Tubescreamer itself, I must confess I don't own one, but I've played them lots. They are good pedals, but they're expensive and, in my humblest of opinions, better deals can be found elsewhere. If your budget is under $100, I'd say look around for a BOSS SD-1. If you are willing to spend more, any of the Fulltone boxes are good. I've also got many, many good things to say about the Way Huge Pork Loin. It sounds ridiculous when you say it, but when you plug it into your amp, it sounds amazing.


Thank's Vulcan, a very detailed explanation. I'll probably get a Boss SD-1, and use it as a pre-amp to over drive my valve amp, as a bit of a solo boost.


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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:58 am
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PS I've never heard of a 'pork loin' but it sounds quite meaty!!

I wonder if they're available in the UK?


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Hey, I agree with alot of the others, a good guitar and a good amp is all you need for now, Alot of great guitar players are straight-into-the-amp people, try that first, you will not be sorry

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Ceri wrote:
63supro wrote:
Effects are used as a crutch by many beginners. Learn technique first, then expand with effects later.


Ha! Now I pass no judgement on The Edge's style. But comedian Bill Bailey does a very nice piece he calls "a catastrophic technical failure at a U2 gig"... Well worth 1:07 minutes of your time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EDuK46ZqFM

Cheers - C


HAHAHA NICE...btw i went to mansons as you suggested :D

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Ceri wrote:
63supro wrote:
Effects are used as a crutch by many beginners. Learn technique first, then expand with effects later.


Ha! Now I pass no judgement on The Edge's style. But comedian Bill Bailey does a very nice piece he calls "a catastrophic technical failure at a U2 gig"... Well worth 1:07 minutes of your time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EDuK46ZqFM

Cheers - C


HAHAHA NICE...btw i went to mansons as you suggested :D



Ceri,

That Bill Baily bit is funny. LMAO. RK

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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:57 pm
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check out the different effects at www.bossus.com. They have videos and recordings so you can know what exactly you are looking at. Boss pedals are very reliable as well


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