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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:23 pm
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Found this pic thought it could apply. A Dan Armstrong, people who have never played one should try.
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that was inspired by this:

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I remember seeing something similar to the first one many many years ago at the old Sam's Music in downtown Cleveland...not sure if it was an Armstrong or not (too many years, too many dead brain cells). I don't recall ever seeing a Strat done like that though...very cool. With today's LED technology, it might be interesting to get something like that and load it with a set of LEDs that have rotating colors. I little gimmicky maybe but I bet it would look pretty cool on a dimly lit stage 8) .

One interesting observation on that clear Strat...granted it's a bit hard to tell with the small pic but it doesn't look like that thing has any string T's. I gotta wonder if it actually has staggered tuners if it was meant more for show than playability. Still very cool either way.

I had to replace a broken bedroom window this afternoon and while I was at the hardware store I was looking at some large sheets of Lexan....hmmmmm. I wonder how hard that stuff is to polish...


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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:42 pm
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The truth of the matter is that with electric guitars, the importance that the wood plays in regards to an individual instruments tone is relatively minor compared with other factors such as pickups, the bridge, the amp, etc..


I'd back up your 2 cents with 3 cents of my own.
Like cv showed, there are guitars with plastic bodies that sound just fine.

As a simple proof, consider the following experiment for Strat owners. Plug your guitar into your amp and play for a while on the Bridge pickup. Then switch to neck pickup. It sounds different, no? So, which one of those sounds is the sound of the wood? Either or neither?


So based on this there should be no difference between my rosewood board neck/ strat body and that body with a maple neck unless given by the tuners? Infact there should be no difference between sapelle and alder bodies and same hardware including neck/board?

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lomitus wrote:

With today's LED technology, it might be interesting to get something like that and load it with a set of LEDs that have rotating colors. I little gimmicky maybe but I bet it would look pretty cool on a dimly lit stage 8) .

One interesting observation on that clear Strat...granted it's a bit hard to tell with the small pic but it doesn't look like that thing has any string T's. I gotta wonder if it actually has staggered tuners if it was meant more for show than playability. Still very cool either way.

I had to replace a broken bedroom window this afternoon and while I was at the hardware store I was looking at some large sheets of Lexan....hmmmmm. I wonder how hard that stuff is to polish...


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http://cgi.ebay.com/IBANEZ-20TH-ANNIVERSARY-JEM-STEVE-VAI-SIGNATURE-MODEL_W0QQitemZ160314298848QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item160314298848&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50

As for the second part, that Lucite strat was made back in the 50's for a trade show to demonstrate how the guitar "worked" and all that went into it. Evidently it's pretty heavy as most lucite guitars are.

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try that link again...

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Yea, that's the general idea although I think I would have opted for different colors myself. Hmmm...maybe put a little beat detection circuit in there so that the colors change with the music. Some florescent tubes might be kind of cool too, LOL!


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orvilleowner wrote:
lomitus wrote:
The truth of the matter is that with electric guitars, the importance that the wood plays in regards to an individual instruments tone is relatively minor compared with other factors such as pickups, the bridge, the amp, etc..


I'd back up your 2 cents with 3 cents of my own.
Like cv showed, there are guitars with plastic bodies that sound just fine.

As a simple proof, consider the following experiment for Strat owners. Plug your guitar into your amp and play for a while on the Bridge pickup. Then switch to neck pickup. It sounds different, no? So, which one of those sounds is the sound of the wood? Either or neither?


I have never seen one like the clear strat but the Dan Armstrong I have seen several and played before but not a synthetic neck. Much of the sound difference between bridge , neck is the fact that the pickups are reading the string in different locations along it's length. The closer you get to the bridge the sharper the harmonics and lower level because the string vibrates less , and the further you move from the bridge the less they change. That is why there less change between the Mid and Neck. It is also why they made the bridge pickup angled like they did to compansate for some of this. It is where they are located along the string not what part of the wood causing the change in pickups sound when they have the same output.

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May i be the traditionalist and offer the idea that wood, hardware, pickup type and placement all go towards the sound you hear?
Wouldnt that explain why different guitars sound different when unplugged.
Granted certain aspects can overshadow others when amplified but i cant dismiss any factor on that basis. Its not possible to get a great sounding les paul built out of balsa wood or lego is it? no matter what hardware is used.

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nikininja wrote:
May i be the traditionalist and offer the idea that wood, hardware, pickup type and placement all go towards the sound you hear?
Wouldnt that explain why different guitars sound different when unplugged.
Granted certain aspects can overshadow others when amplified but i cant dismiss any factor on that basis. Its not possible to get a great sounding les paul built out of balsa wood or lego is it? no matter what hardware is used.


You are correct My Friend it is the sum total that works together. The way the different woods allow the strings to vibrate along with the neck and body that create how each guitar can have a timbre. Even if there made of the same woods they will have a different timbre because one properties may different then the other.

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So based on this there should be no difference between my rosewood board neck/ strat body and that body with a maple neck unless given by the tuners?


I like the term iomitus used: relatively minor.

When you plug your guitar into your amp, do you twist the various knobs to get the sound you want? Sure.

When you later plug in a different guitar, isn't it fair to re-twist the various knobs to get the sound you want. Can you make your various guitars (okay, Strats) pretty much sound the same?

I have found that I can.

I recently thought of that goofy "experiment." People talk SO MUCH about tone of this and that and the other. Well, when I just change that simple little switch I get very different sounds out: which one of these represents the "tone" of the guitar (the combination of neck woods and body woods)?

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nikininja wrote:
May i be the traditionalist and offer the idea that wood, hardware, pickup type and placement all go towards the sound you hear?
Wouldnt that explain why different guitars sound different when unplugged.


Very few people want to sit around and listen to me play my unplugged Strats.

I bet a Lego Les Paul would sound fine. Maybe Zakk Wylde played one on the recent Ozzy album and we just don't know it!


I'm just throwing these ideas out there for discussion. I don't know if there's any way to scientifically establish how much the body/woods contribute to the sound! I am a scientist afterall, so that's how I think. It's very hard to do A/B testing on these things. A lot of people will change out someting like a trem block or saddles and think there was a huge change, but they also put on new strings. So?

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Ok leave it with me as to neck woods. I'll be getting a zoom handy recorder soon and will be able to get a accurate recording of an experiment i thought of a while back. To vidcam myself playing a rosewood boarded strat then switching necks onto the guitar body for a maple one. I attempted it but the sound quality was terrible from my laptops mike. I'm not going to spend dough on a condenser mike for one experiment.
When i first tried it there was a marked difference but there was a difference of tuners and nut and no doubt wood quality. As you say its near impossible to quantify exactly how much change they made.

Still that vid will go up sometime after the 14th April.

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