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For anyone interested in the final outcome....I decided against the deal and to keep the hollowbody since I already have a strat.

Thanks for the input.

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Ceri....bite your tongue!!! Are you suggesting my Kickassocaster is not as kick $@! as I imagine :wink:


Hey, wot? Certainly not!!! :lol:

No indeed: just like Nikininja's MIM that he likes as much as his CS and his Hotrod, I have a Strat based on my little ol' Squier from decades ago. The body wood, thick black polyester lacquer and the control pots are the only original parts remaining - even the pickguard screws are replacements. I love that guitar: it gets just as much playing time as my American and other guitars.

The pickups alone (a calibrated set of Lace Sensors) cost more than the original instrument - but that don't mean I could find anyone to buy it for that price.

Simple fact is, no matter what mods we do, no matter how sentimental we feel about our guitars' wear and dings - the truth is when buying we ALL want to purchase guitars as near to stock and mint as we can find.

I was watching sales of a particular model of Strat on Ebay and was struck by the inverse relation of mods to final price. Some fella had stuck a very nice set of Lindy Fralin pickups in one: it sold for less than the cost of those pups.

Just something about someone else's mods. It's like pulling on someone else's jeans. Ew...!

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Probably better off to deconstruct the guitar and sell the parts individually rather than as completed flavor.


I think that's almost certainly right.

And by now, if anyone could say for sure it's you! You're the resident expert on the Ebay prices of parts...

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Probably better off to deconstruct the guitar and sell the parts individually rather than as completed flavor.
This is probably even true of a stock strat.

But yeah, jay, as far as your kickassocaster goes, it would be hard to sell it at a break even price. It doesn't matter how good it is, unless you are famous your mods all serve only to devalue the guitar. After all, if everyone had the same tastes there would only be one electric guitar, with one set of parts, and one finish. You worked hard to create a guitar for a target audience of one, the more you succeed doing that, the higher the odds it has less appeal to more people.

that said I highly doubt you made your guitar with an eye on selling, I know I never like to part with any of my lumber, modded or not.

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BigJay wrote:
Ceri....bite your tongue!!! Are you suggesting my Kickassocaster is not as kick $@! as I imagine :wink:

Seriously, a very interesting discussion. A new twist on several other threads about resale values, etc.

In general, I agree. Modifications reduce value and I suspect its true that partsocasters wont carry the same value as an untouched stock guitar. However, in my opinion, we can or maybe should differentiate between partsocasters, made up of legitimate Fender parts, and guitars that have been modified with non-Fender components. This is clearly especially true with permanent modifications like routing bodies, custom paint jobs and cutting headstocks.

Regarding true Fender partsocasters, I suspect that proper documentation of the parts can help retain some value. Maybe Im wrong. However, for example, I have saved all sales receipts and packaging for the parts of my Kickassocaster, especially my NIB CS '69 pups. I want to be able to conclusively demonstrate authenticity.

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But the problem with that thinking is that many of these guitar that are moded have had pickups that some may think are much better then any fenders. Things like hand stagger wound pro 50's and they still loose value. All the best parts you can use on a guitar are not made by fender so I dont see where if a parts guitar thats made of just fender parts would hold resale value then any other partscaster as a whole guitar. To the builder that guitar is priceless but to others its a different story.

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cvilleira wrote:
BigJay wrote:
Ceri....bite your tongue!!! Are you suggesting my Kickassocaster is not as kick $@! as I imagine :wink:

Seriously, a very interesting discussion. A new twist on several other threads about resale values, etc.

In general, I agree. Modifications reduce value and I suspect its true that partsocasters wont carry the same value as an untouched stock guitar. However, in my opinion, we can or maybe should differentiate between partsocasters, made up of legitimate Fender parts, and guitars that have been modified with non-Fender components. This is clearly especially true with permanent modifications like routing bodies, custom paint jobs and cutting headstocks.

Regarding true Fender partsocasters, I suspect that proper documentation of the parts can help retain some value. Maybe Im wrong. However, for example, I have saved all sales receipts and packaging for the parts of my Kickassocaster, especially my NIB CS '69 pups. I want to be able to conclusively demonstrate authenticity.

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But the problem with that thinking is that many of these guitar that are moded have had pickups that some may think are much better then any fenders. Things like hand stagger wound pro 50's and they still loose value. All the best parts you can use on a guitar are not made by fender so I dont see where if a parts guitar thats made of just fender parts would hold resale value then any other partscaster as a whole guitar. To the builder that guitar is priceless but to others its a different story.

Pretty much to hold resale value, a Fender must have actually rolled of the assembly line as a complete guitar, and remain in that state, every alteration is just that, an alteration. For you or me, it may be an upgrade, but in the big picture it is just a change. Any guitar you put together isn't considered a fender, even if it is made from all fender parts. oh and licensed parts don't seem to make any difference from non licensed parts, to the cork-sniffing elite.

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BigJay wrote:
To you point, though, my point was that documentation authenticates the item, proving it is what I claim. CS pups may not hold value, but they will hold value better than TexMex pups, I think. At least I can prove mine are legitimate rather than hoping somebody just trusts me.


Since it's hard to tell what pickups are (they aren't very well marked, are they?), it is a very good idea to keep the documentation.

Most people save their stock parts to put back on in case they have to sell ... then they can put their favorite aftermarket pickups on their next guitar.

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BigJay wrote:
Yah, CV...you are right.

"pure Fender" will not necessarily hold value. I've ranted many times about how Strats are just mass produced commodities after all.

To you point, though, my point was that documentation authenticates the item, proving it is what I claim. CS pups may not hold value, but they will hold value better than TexMex pups, I think. At least I can prove mine are legitimate rather than hoping somebody just trusts me.

Your right there bigjay it is wise to keep a record as to whats there. But if you made yourself a good guitar what the heck its going nowhere. Enjoy thet kickasscaster!

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BigJay wrote:
I bought all the parts individually. There is no original to put back together. My pickups are initialed and dated by the some master pup winder in the Custom Shop, Ybarra or something. Of course, anybody with a ball point can scribble some initials and a date. So, I do have all packaging and documentation.

Fact is that I bought Custom Shop because I figured I keep moving them around between builds. But who knows? Maybe I'll sell the Kickassocaster someday or part it out.

Maybe I'll switch to Gibson....What? Wash his mouth out with soap.

You have to add an LP. Having just Strats is like eating one chip. :wink:

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