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Post subject: Re: well
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:34 pm
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Perhaps I can introduce some enlightenment into thiis thread.

This Forum entertained. a rather heated issue some time back regarding the use of text syntax in our discussions. There was consensus in the acceoted use of what might be be described as business prose and syntax in our correspondence. In fact, it culminated in one young person, who refused to comply, from being blocked from the Forum on the request of one of our members.

The short form used, which has been censored, occupies a niche in world history, and no longer enjoys any modicum of respect.

Several respondents have attempted to raise consciousness in this regard and it would certainly serve all concerned well by following their lead. :wink:

Doc :wink:

I am without a doubt not a young person. I have a very reasonable understanding of the"Racist" connotations of the as you say,short form. But we must start using some intelligent reason here. Context is everything. Were I disparaging a person,yes,wrong whatever epithets I use. I was speaking of a guitar. What are the moderators for if not,context police. censorship is WRONG. free discourse with responsible consequence is RIGHT.
the filter is automated. it can't use discretion in deciding context. so we must live with the minor inconvenience, of not using that abbreviation, in order to use the useful function of filtering a racial slur.

fact of the matter is that there are enough people who enjoy posting vulgarities,and racial slurs that these filters become a useful tool.

there is no censorship of ideas, in fact Fender is pretty open. they have done nothing to stifle ideas, including more than a few threads vilifying their company over recent price changes, and some of these threads are quite long, and have been active for some time.

it is unreasonable to expect brad(moderator,) to be able to read and respond to every single thread,and edit out unsavory posts with anything approaching the speed and efficiency of the filter. having to type the full word 'Japanese' seems to me to be a fairly insignificant issue, and not being able to use a certain abbreviation doesn't in any way impair your ability to express yourself.


I except this as a most reasonable response.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:40 pm
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Bottom line - We're not in a verbal conversation. This isn't you and I having drinks and talking about things. This is a public online forum. The world reads this. There are some words filtered since they are offensive to some of our readers, and I am totally sympathetic to that. I would do the same thing if I were running this forum, and maybe more.

It's a worldwide forum, for a major corporation whose products are sold worldwide. They need to have some technical controls to filter out what the company doesn't want to represent.

If you can't understand that, or don't agree with that, that's perfectly fine. But nobody's really forcing you to post here either if you're so into purposely teetering on the edge of offensiveness just to start arguments and "prove your point".


Does anyone see my offensive word? neither do I. I was simply curious,as to why such a small thing is so important. I know why people take offense to words. Humans are a contentious bunch(consider this thread) I would just like to know when people will stop empowering meaningless words,and empowering themselves instead. I see you are another who just wants people to go away(me?) Thats how we sovle a curious problem then,right?
I also do not have a point that needs to be proven. I am not here to change anyones mind or ask them to leave. I just like to talk.


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dgonz wrote:
Bottom line - We're not in a verbal conversation. This isn't you and I having drinks and talking about things. This is a public online forum. The world reads this. There are some words filtered since they are offensive to some of our readers, and I am totally sympathetic to that. I would do the same thing if I were running this forum, and maybe more.

It's a worldwide forum, for a major corporation whose products are sold worldwide. They need to have some technical controls to filter out what the company doesn't want to represent.

If you can't understand that, or don't agree with that, that's perfectly fine. But nobody's really forcing you to post here either if you're so into purposely teetering on the edge of offensiveness just to start arguments and "prove your point".



"Asked and answered!" as my attorney colleagues would say. :wink:

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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:34 am
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zzdoc wrote:
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Bottom line - We're not in a verbal conversation. This isn't you and I having drinks and talking about things. This is a public online forum. The world reads this. There are some words filtered since they are offensive to some of our readers, and I am totally sympathetic to that. I would do the same thing if I were running this forum, and maybe more.

It's a worldwide forum, for a major corporation whose products are sold worldwide. They need to have some technical controls to filter out what the company doesn't want to represent.

If you can't understand that, or don't agree with that, that's perfectly fine. But nobody's really forcing you to post here either if you're so into purposely teetering on the edge of offensiveness just to start arguments and "prove your point".



"Asked and answered!" as my attorney colleagues would say. :wink:


Isn't it interesting how anonymity brings out the aggression in people. I also went to law school,although I returned to engineering. In law there is a model used for developing anologies towards laws. The reasonable(and prudent) person. A non existant person with whom all things being equal is perfect in their considerations of things. A very important quality of this "person" is their questioning of all things. i.e Why. there are no genuine left or right or black and white answers to things. One must question,see prefix "quest". Seek answers,not bluster and puff. You did not answer the question you simply proffered your point then asked me to leave. A simpering tactic in debates. But thats okay as this is a guitar site. I will say that I had hoped for more discerning discourse. I suppose this is not the place. I do however enjoy the information on music and instrumentation having been buying and using Fender products going on forty years. I hope to continue bending this forums "cyber ear" and learning more about all this fun stuff.


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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:23 am
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good luck settling this. doubt you will.

BTW, I meant to ask, are there any Strats still being produced in Korea or Japan? How would you rate their quality? Which catalogue items would they be?

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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:36 am
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guys and girls when you bring an political correctness to such a degree your bound to raise some issues, so leave it alone, ive got a mex strat a usa strat and a $@! strat, i listen to brit pop and im a paddy (irish), I ride a black motorcycle and my favorite bass player Geddy Lee who is a canuck is a $@!, one of my favorite guitarists Ritchie Blackmore is a Brit. fellow irishman and one of the greatest artists Phil Lynott from Thin Lizzy was a black irishman, im not intending to purposely discredit or insult anybody but to prove a point thats the english language. :wink:

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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:38 am
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eyerish wrote:
zzdoc wrote:
dgonz wrote:
Bottom line - We're not in a verbal conversation. This isn't you and I having drinks and talking about things. This is a public online forum. The world reads this. There are some words filtered since they are offensive to some of our readers, and I am totally sympathetic to that. I would do the same thing if I were running this forum, and maybe more.

It's a worldwide forum, for a major corporation whose products are sold worldwide. They need to have some technical controls to filter out what the company doesn't want to represent.

If you can't understand that, or don't agree with that, that's perfectly fine. But nobody's really forcing you to post here either if you're so into purposely teetering on the edge of offensiveness just to start arguments and "prove your point".



"Asked and answered!" as my attorney colleagues would say. :wink:


Isn't it interesting how anonymity brings out the aggression in people. I also went to law school,although I returned to engineering. In law there is a model used for developing anologies towards laws. The reasonable(and prudent) person. A non existant person with whom all things being equal is perfect in their considerations of things. A very important quality of this "person" is their questioning of all things. i.e Why. there are no genuine left or right or black and white answers to things. One must question,see prefix "quest". Seek answers,not bluster and puff. You did not answer the question you simply proffered your point then asked me to leave. A simpering tactic in debates. But thats okay as this is a guitar site. I will say that I had hoped for more discerning discourse. I suppose this is not the place. I do however enjoy the information on music and instrumentation having been buying and using Fender products going on forty years. I hope to continue bending this forums "cyber ear" and learning more about all this fun stuff.



My wife, a personal injury/med mal attorney for over twenty years, now retired, has familiarized me well with the philosophy of the 'reasonable man.' I've also served as an expert witness, and written 'a few' opinions and briefs in my time.

The Fender Forum Rules are clear. I doubt that a 'reasonable man' would take issue with the company's right to have promulgated them, It is their field, their bat, their ball, their game. To date, the contributors herein, have had no issues with that. Excepting a few instances, less than the fingers on one hand, Brad has chosen not to exercise these rules to their fullest, when he has done so, it has been with our advice and consent.

Sampling other responses, a 'jury of your peers', so to speak, seems to have found for the company. In this jurisdiction, you have no recourse to appeal.

The company reserves the right to eschew the language the censorship of which you objected to, and has done so.

It's a tempest in a teapot which is not worth the brewing.

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Post subject: Re: mad
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:43 am
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guys and girls when you bring an political correctness to such a degree your bound to raise some issues, so leave it alone, ive got a mex strat a usa strat and a $@! strat, i listen to brit pop and im a paddy (irish), I ride a black motorcycle and my favorite bass player Geddy Lee who is a canuck is a $@!, one of my favorite guitarists Ritchie Blackmore is a Brit. fellow irishman and one of the greatest artists Phil Lynott from Thin Lizzy was a black irishman, im not intending to purposely discredit or insult anybody but to prove a point thats the english language. :wink:



Of course your position is well taken. Eyerish has burr under the saddle about having been 'bleeped' so to speak. The media does it every day, in audio bleeps, in visual blurrs, at times to the ridiculous. Fender Forum has it's rules. We live with it. It's that simple. :wink:

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Post subject: why
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:54 am
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This forum is for the international language of the world, music. i dont see how this topic can be taken any further, Admin i propose you take this thread and put it in the bin, now lets talk more about music and guitars! :wink:

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This forum is for the international language of the world, music. i dont see how this topic can be taken any further, Admin i propose you take this thread and put it in the bin, now lets talk more about music and guitars! :wink:


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Crikey!

There was some fun stuff to be said on this topic - but not when it's so heated!

Maybe it's a good thing certain words are "bleeped", or by now we might have heard them thrown around on this one.

Let's be nice to each other - and to the Japanese. I like them and their gear!!

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joeohanlon wrote:
guys and girls when you bring an political correctness to such a degree your bound to raise some issues, so leave it alone, ive got a mex strat a usa strat and a $@! strat, i listen to brit pop and im a paddy (irish), I ride a black motorcycle and my favorite bass player Geddy Lee who is a canuck is a $@!, one of my favorite guitarists Ritchie Blackmore is a Brit. fellow irishman and one of the greatest artists Phil Lynott from Thin Lizzy was a black irishman, im not intending to purposely discredit or insult anybody but to prove a point thats the english language. :wink:


You mentioned Blackmore and Lynott in the same post...sweet! Ritchie has the tapes of him, Lynott and Ian Paice jamming...it was going to be a band before Ritchie decided to reform Purple and record the Burn album. I'd love to hear those tapes :D

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guys and girls when you bring an political correctness to such a degree your bound to raise some issues, so leave it alone, ive got a mex strat a usa strat and a $@! strat, i listen to brit pop and im a paddy (irish), I ride a black motorcycle and my favorite bass player Geddy Lee who is a canuck is a $@!, one of my favorite guitarists Ritchie Blackmore is a Brit. fellow irishman and one of the greatest artists Phil Lynott from Thin Lizzy was a black irishman, im not intending to purposely discredit or insult anybody but to prove a point thats the english language. :wink:


You mentioned Blackmore and Lynott in the same post...sweet! Ritchie has the tapes of him, Lynott and Ian Paice jamming...it was going to be a band before Ritchie decided to reform Purple and record the Burn album. I'd love to hear those tapes :D


Now there's a departure from the subject at hand for certain. :wink:

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I can't beleive this %6$3 is *&)% then you go and %$#^$# and the next thing you no $%*^$% and then $%@# so just tell me why they #$@& at this time of $%%# in the world? WELL? :shock:


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