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Post subject: why?
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:11 pm
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why was it when I typed a question about a Japanese strat but only used the first 3 letters,was the word scrambled like a cuss word? is asking about japanese strats without the "anese" part some sort of pc violation? This world is definetly in need of a priorities check.sheesh.


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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:18 pm
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eyerish wrote:
why was it when I typed a question about a Japanese strat but only used the first 3 letters,was the word scrambled like a cuss word? is asking about japanese strats without the "anese" part some sort of pc violation? This world is definetly in need of a priorities check.sheesh.


Not sure why? Maybe it's a disrespectful way to say it that way? Why not type Made in Japan Strat?


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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:22 pm
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$$$ is an English abbreviation of the word "Japanese." Today it is regarded as an ethnic slur though English-speaking countries differ in the degree they consider the term offensive. In the United States, Japanese Americans have come to find the term controversial or offensive, even when used as an abbreviation.

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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:23 pm
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Did i get this right...you cant say $@! stratocasters?
If thats so...why? LOL

Edit: Okay didnt work....Ehm...Right...I fail to see whats to offensive but...Okay...whatever...whatever works i guess...
lol?
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FriendlyGuitarAddict wrote:
Did i get this right...you cant say $@! stratocasters?
If thats so...why? LOL

Edit: Okay didnt work....Ehm...Right...I fail to see whats to offensive but...Okay...whatever...whatever works i guess...
lol?
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In the body of the post the first 3 letters were fine it was in the subject line it scrambled it without the "anese" added to it.


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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:28 pm
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eyerish wrote:
FriendlyGuitarAddict wrote:
Did i get this right...you cant say $@! stratocasters?
If thats so...why? LOL

Edit: Okay didnt work....Ehm...Right...I fail to see whats to offensive but...Okay...whatever...whatever works i guess...
lol?
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In the body of the post the first 3 letters were fine it was in the subject line it scrambled it without the "anese" added to it.



I totally dont understand...Its cencured coz the word $@! is offensive?


Edit: Okay i get it its offensive. Meh english isint my main language and there was a few words i never heard before so.. :evil:


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Perhaps I can introduce some enlightenment into thiis thread.

This Forum entertained. a rather heated issue some time back regarding the use of text syntax in our discussions. There was consensus in the acceoted use of what might be be described as business prose and syntax in our correspondence. In fact, it culminated in one young person, who refused to comply, from being blocked from the Forum on the request of one of our members.

The short form used, which has been censored, occupies a niche in world history, and no longer enjoys any modicum of respect.

Several respondents have attempted to raise consciousness in this regard and it would certainly serve all concerned well by following their lead. :wink:

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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:53 pm
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zzdoc wrote:
Perhaps I can introduce some enlightenment into thiis thread.

This Forum entertained. a rather heated issue some time back regarding the use of text syntax in our discussions. There was consensus in the acceoted use of what might be be described as business prose and syntax in our correspondence. In fact, it culminated in one young person, who refused to comply, from being blocked from the Forum on the request of one of our members.

The short form used, which has been censored, occupies a niche in world history, and no longer enjoys any modicum of respect.

Several respondents have attempted to raise consciousness in this regard and it would certainly serve all concerned well by following their lead. :wink:

Doc :wink:

I am without a doubt not a young person. I have a very reasonable understanding of the"Racist" connotations of the as you say,short form. But we must start using some intelligent reason here. Context is everything. Were I disparaging a person,yes,wrong whatever epithets I use. I was speaking of a guitar. What are the moderators for if not,context police. censorship is WRONG. free discourse with responsible consequence is RIGHT.


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zzdoc wrote:
Perhaps I can introduce some enlightenment into thiis thread.

This Forum entertained. a rather heated issue some time back regarding the use of text syntax in our discussions. There was consensus in the acceoted use of what might be be described as business prose and syntax in our correspondence. In fact, it culminated in one young person, who refused to comply, from being blocked from the Forum on the request of one of our members.

The short form used, which has been censored, occupies a niche in world history, and no longer enjoys any modicum of respect.

Several respondents have attempted to raise consciousness in this regard and it would certainly serve all concerned well by following their lead. :wink:

Doc :wink:

Very well said Doc :wink: I think most will agree with You.

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Post subject: Re: well
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:56 pm
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eyerish wrote:
zzdoc wrote:
Perhaps I can introduce some enlightenment into thiis thread.

This Forum entertained. a rather heated issue some time back regarding the use of text syntax in our discussions. There was consensus in the acceoted use of what might be be described as business prose and syntax in our correspondence. In fact, it culminated in one young person, who refused to comply, from being blocked from the Forum on the request of one of our members.

The short form used, which has been censored, occupies a niche in world history, and no longer enjoys any modicum of respect.

Several respondents have attempted to raise consciousness in this regard and it would certainly serve all concerned well by following their lead. :wink:

Doc :wink:

I am without a doubt not a young person. I have a very reasonable understanding of the"Racist" connotations of the as you say,short form. But we must start using some intelligent reason here. Context is everything. Were I disparaging a person,yes,wrong whatever epithets I use. I was speaking of a guitar. What are the moderators for if not,context police. censorship is WRONG. free discourse with responsible consequence is RIGHT.


I stand buy what I said above. "Psuedo'intellectual prose withstanding. context is the key to communication. The emotions therefrom.


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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:58 pm
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I will also add that this thread is getting more action then my original question in a another thread.


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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:25 pm
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eyerish wrote:
I will also add that this thread is getting more action then my original question in a another thread.


Don't be surprised at such a thing. It happens all the time. You unwittingly and certainly most innocently introduced a controversial issue and chose to throw down the gauntlet via rebuttal. I'm not taking issue with your position. Of course, you are free to see it in what ever context you deem is fair. You asked a simple question....."Why?" I gave you what I considered to be an appropriate answer based upon past and current practices in this Forum.

Rather that, and considering the umbrage you seem to have taken at the Forum's editorial position perhaps the more appropriate response should have been........."Because"!

With all due respect, minus any animosity on my part, may I suggest seeking other avenues down which you can direct your interests if the 'thought police' herein give you pause.

So far, after better than 2200 posts and nearly two years on line here, I have the sense that the majority are comfortable with the status quo.

To wit, and as with many other words which are falling into disuse as we 'evolve' :? as a world society, the contraction you feel justified in using, not withstanding how you plead your case, is deemed offensive and has been barred. We simply choose not to use it.

Doc.

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Post subject: Re: well
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:15 pm
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eyerish wrote:
zzdoc wrote:
Perhaps I can introduce some enlightenment into thiis thread.

This Forum entertained. a rather heated issue some time back regarding the use of text syntax in our discussions. There was consensus in the acceoted use of what might be be described as business prose and syntax in our correspondence. In fact, it culminated in one young person, who refused to comply, from being blocked from the Forum on the request of one of our members.

The short form used, which has been censored, occupies a niche in world history, and no longer enjoys any modicum of respect.

Several respondents have attempted to raise consciousness in this regard and it would certainly serve all concerned well by following their lead. :wink:

Doc :wink:

I am without a doubt not a young person. I have a very reasonable understanding of the"Racist" connotations of the as you say,short form. But we must start using some intelligent reason here. Context is everything. Were I disparaging a person,yes,wrong whatever epithets I use. I was speaking of a guitar. What are the moderators for if not,context police. censorship is WRONG. free discourse with responsible consequence is RIGHT.
the filter is automated. it can't use discretion in deciding context. so we must live with the minor inconvenience, of not using that abbreviation, in order to use the useful function of filtering a racial slur.

fact of the matter is that there are enough people who enjoy posting vulgarities,and racial slurs that these filters become a useful tool.

there is no censorship of ideas, in fact Fender is pretty open. they have done nothing to stifle ideas, including more than a few threads vilifying their company over recent price changes, and some of these threads are quite long, and have been active for some time.

it is unreasonable to expect brad(moderator,) to be able to read and respond to every single thread,and edit out unsavory posts with anything approaching the speed and efficiency of the filter. having to type the full word 'Japanese' seems to me to be a fairly insignificant issue, and not being able to use a certain abbreviation doesn't in any way impair your ability to express yourself.

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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:32 pm
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zzdoc wrote:
eyerish wrote:
I will also add that this thread is getting more action then my original question in a another thread.


Don't be surprised at such a thing. It happens all the time. You unwittingly and certainly most innocently introduced a controversial issue and chose to throw down the gauntlet via rebuttal. I'm not taking issue with your position. Of course, you are free to see it in what ever context you deem is fair. You asked a simple question....."Why?" I gave you what I considered to be an appropriate answer based upon past and current practices in this Forum.

Rather that, and considering the umbrage you seem to have taken at the Forum's editorial position perhaps the more appropriate response should have been........."Because"!

With all due respect, minus any animosity on my part, may I suggest seeking other avenues down which you can direct your interests if the 'thought police' herein give you pause.

So far, after better than 2200 posts and nearly two years on line here, I have the sense that the majority are comfortable with the status quo.

To wit, and as with many other words which are falling into disuse as we 'evolve' :? as a world society, the contraction you feel justified in using, not withstanding how you plead your case, is deemed offensive and has been barred. We simply choose not to use it.

Doc.

It would seem I am misunderstood. I take no offense at all in your answer,or anyone elses. Thats why I come to these forums. Exchange,If it seems I was bothered. I am not. I also note that as I find most often. That rather than discuss or simply muse aloud,you resort to the typical tactic of the unwilling or uninformed. You ask me to go elsewhere. I suggest that I will stay,and invite you to do the same. I apologize If I turned up the heat on you. Feel free to wander into the livingroom as the kitchen is to uncomfortable for you. We may yet find common ground,guitars maybe?
I understand the use of the word is Verbotten. No prblem,I just opened a discussion because I find the PC mentality fascinating. The attempts to proselytize are not mine or have ever been my intention. I like to discuss things. You like to quip and then consider yourself as "having spoken". I care not how long you have posted here,your pomposity is your problem. Lets try to remember this is a forum,for discussing matters.Please refrain from personalizing,I do not take the answers so. I did not ask you to leave when I found it most evident you do not like to be disagreed with. Tsk,Tsk and with such a command of the language you still wish to act imperial and remove yourself from my little desire to know,WHY. Oh yes thats right,according to you. Because,yes the world was built on the considerations of the curious,who attacked the problems perceived with the usual pugnacious panache by shaking their fist at it and with dramatic flair.Declaring to the world that the answer to all of lifes questions is....."Because
'. Have a good one ZZDOC. I don't mind you at all.


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Bottom line - We're not in a verbal conversation. This isn't you and I having drinks and talking about things. This is a public online forum. The world reads this. There are some words filtered since they are offensive to some of our readers, and I am totally sympathetic to that. I would do the same thing if I were running this forum, and maybe more.

It's a worldwide forum, for a major corporation whose products are sold worldwide. They need to have some technical controls to filter out what the company doesn't want to represent.

If you can't understand that, or don't agree with that, that's perfectly fine. But nobody's really forcing you to post here either if you're so into purposely teetering on the edge of offensiveness just to start arguments and "prove your point".


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