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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:33 pm
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lomitis I may not be able to tell you what gear you are using but I have no doubt I could tell which I thought was the better sounding gear between A and B or combination of.


Ok, then to look at things from that logic for a moment, what you are saying is that people like Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, BB King, Jeff Beck and a host of others...what these people should do is put out two or three otherwise identical tracks with different amps so that people (or more specifically other guitar players) can choose which sound they like best?

Ok...that was perhaps a bit cynical...let me put this another way. When I recorded that tune in the studio (and that's me on all of the instruments including drums btw with my wife singing all the vocal tracks), it really would not have mattered which amp I used because by the time I was done mixing the tune it still would have sounded virtually the same. Yes, there was a specific sound that I was trying to create...that of mid 70's classic rock, but the tools used to make that sound were fairly irrelevant. As I've said before, when you're recording or when you are playing live, there are a great many other considerations than just the guitar players tone. The -only- person that tone really matters to is the guitar player. If a person is only going to play all by themselves in their own quiet little sanctuary, then sure that tone is important. To me part of the greatest joy of playing music comes from working with other musicians and working together to create a complete sound and my personal feelings about creating that "perfect tone as a guitar player" are simply irrelevant. It's not about "me", it's not about my guitar or my amp, it's about the mix. Live or studio, it wouldn't matter if I were using a vintage tube amp or a mid range solid state....Fender, Marshall, Crate, Laney, Peavey...it doesn't matter because it's all about the mix.

Just for the record...it was my '96 MIM Strat while it still had the VN pups and no amp at all. Ran thru my Digi RP pedal straight into the board (and no, I didn't even use a DI box) :). The tracks were also never mastered and were not recorded on "high end" studio gear....all of that went in to a basic Pc thru the motherboard's built in sound card from a Behringer 2004A mixer. Of course, had the tracks of been mastered along with other tunes to create a compilation, the sound would have been even different still.

I'm sorry dude, but my opinion stands...there is no "right or wrong" when it comes to amps (or guitars), blues or otherwise and I believe in my own long winded way that I've provided plenty of facts to support this...it's not the tools, it's the person using them.

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When you talk about studio mixing then you can adjust anything. But there are prefered studio amps even for that. Sure there is no right or wrong but there is better. And to say that tone is irrelevant is a joke, every day we hear the countless people here on the forum yaking about what they need to get there SRV sound. And I have been out and listened to guitar players and thought to myself, boy they had an off night and not just there playing was off but the sound was not right via amps, Pa what ever. And since you been in a studio as well you no they do cut several tracks and pick the best in the way of play, tones, level ect. ect.,. And to think that Eric Clpton and BB. King don't have there favorite amps would be wrong because they do, and its because they prefer the tone of the amps. Well I am not going to make it long winded because most people don't read the novels they just scan through them.

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My Marshall JCM800 and vary the tones by rolling off the volume on my guitars.

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My Marshall JCM800 and vary the tones by rolling off the volume on my guitars.


Same as buddy guy, judas priest, zak wylde, slayer and a million others. Is it the amp that proves the exception to the rule? I dunno. All i know is mine get any tones i want from 50's clean to super mega apocalyptic gain, thats why i own 2 of them. A single channel and a 2 channel they both perform much the same despite different circuits. The one thing everybody forgets about amps is that their tones are variable, their response isnt. The peavy jsx for example is a very unerring amp, dial in the sound you want on the front end and nothing but extreme adjustments via the guitar will alter that. Thats why its got 3 channels and a super effects loop. Designed by a perfectionist to perform perfectly within his set parameters. Could i dial a blues sound into it....? of course it just wouldnt respond like a ac30 or any other amp of that era/ilk.

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My Marshall JCM800 and vary the tones by rolling off the volume on my guitars.


Same as buddy guy, judas priest, zak wylde, slayer and a million others. Is it the amp that proves the exception to the rule? I dunno. All i know is mine get any tones i want from 50's clean to super mega apocalyptic gain, thats why i own 2 of them. A single channel and a 2 channel they both perform much the same despite different circuits. The one thing everybody forgets about amps is that their tones are variable, their response isnt. The peavy jsx for example is a very unerring amp, dial in the sound you want on the front end and nothing but extreme adjustments via the guitar will alter that. Thats why its got 3 channels and a super effects loop. Designed by a perfectionist to perform perfectly within his set parameters. Could i dial a blues sound into it....? of course it just wouldnt respond like a ac30 or any other amp of that era/ilk.


Yep. I'm the original owner and bought it back in October, 1987. It's the 2210; 100w, 2 channel model w/effects loop. I've owned a lot of other amps in between then and now, but that one has managed to stay the whole time. Right out of the box it was a screamer. Of course, I was just a 17 y/o kid when I bought it. I had no inconsistent Marshall's could be. I just got really lucky!

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Ive a 4211 the 2x12 combo version of your head. The same amp buddy was using/advertizing at their release just prior to the jcm900's.
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Marshall at that time weren't inconsistent. Thats a recent thing from their far eastern plants. Infact if you go on the bletchley plant tour theres a guy right at the end of the production line with a les paul who plugs into the amps to test em right before they go to packaging.

The 2210/4211 were marshalls answer to the 2203 metal devotees that wanted more metal gain. The gain stage is diode clipping not 100% valve as is commonly believed. It was the direct precursor to the jcm900's. Still its never stopped us getting good tone. Its nice to know buddy agreed for a while atleast that this metal devoted amp can do good blues sounds too.

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I came across a 4211 a couple weeks ago in a pawn shop. It was pretty beaten, a lot of the tolex and grille cloth torn but it screamed! I should've snagged it on the spot, but decided to not be impulsive for once (darn economy). When I finally had the expendable cash, I went back and it was gone :(

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Your better off with a head and cab mate. The combo's are terribly trebley the 2x celestions do nothing to aid the low end focusing the high mids. Also never mind the sound they weigh a absolute tonne. I'm a burley builder and dont struggle with heavy things much but i loathe having to lift that combo. Its size does nothing to make lifting easy. Its a 2 man job.

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That is the one thing I noticed; I set the knobs to the way my head is set and I ended up having to roll the treble back to 4 and the presence back to 4 as well, while turning the bass up almost all the way. But once it was dialed in...just wow.

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Hi all, don't know if anyone has already said this, but I use a '65 twin reverb, set to the 6663336, my strat plugged straight into it, Robert Cray started out that way, and I get a real nice sound, thank God I have understanding neighbors, or, possibly i'm that good? Nobody's tried to kill me yet,

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What amp do you use to get your best bluesy sound?


Most of the time, this one:

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Oooo - how cozy!

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It's all too much! :lol: :lol:


Folks'll think we are nuts! :roll:

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Cozy :?: :!: :?: :!: .....We're waiting for you to finish this project :roll:

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Post subject: what settings on the Line 6?
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For blues on the Line 6, what settings? I have the Spider III (15 watt) and it has "clean - crunch-insane" or something....what do you use for blues. I'm using a MIM strat HSS.

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