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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:39 pm
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The point is i find my chosen tones through pretty much anything i plug into. Granted some are more limiting than others but the point remains, Its how you use it.

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Well as other's have said, it's not the amp (or the guitar), it's the fingers and the heart of the person playing. Personally I've used my old Lab L5 for quite a while but lately I've been using my old '73 Bandmaster a lot. I had been shying away from my Bandmaster for quite a while bacause the head/cabinet thing is getting really rough for me to haul around but down in the studio along with my Digi RP pedals, it's a great sounding rig.

To be honest some of the best blues sound I've ever heard came from a dear old friend of mine who used to play his '80 LP Special thru a Peavey Backstage Plus. All he really used was a Boss DS-1 distortion and occasionally a Cry Baby wah but that was about it and he used to make that rig just cry and scream. Incidentally I actually have that old Peavey and I still use it a lot...great old $50 amp :D.

The thing to remember is that blues...real blues isn't about "equipment". As I've stated elsewhere, some of the most legendary blues players came from -very- humble beginnings and just having a guitar that was playable, let alone what most folks here would consider a "nice" guitar and/or amp was truly something special. These guys didn't play "such and such" equipment...they played whatever they could get their hands on.

So don't worry about which amp you should get...just get whatever you can afford and play the living crap out of it. If you're that hung up on gear and tone and everything else, you're worrying about the wrong thing...it's about the music my friend, it's about the music.

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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:51 pm
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Indeed Lomitus, very true.
Does anyone think that muddy waters ever worried what amp he used. To this day after hearing many styles and many blues artists I've never heard tone like his. Just a tele and whatever was there.

Point of interest ive a old marshall catalogue with buddy guy advertizing the then new jcm800 4211 combo the same as mine on my myspace page sat ontop of my 4x12. Has there ever been a more un-blues amp than that diode driven high gain earache machine... maybe. I just havent heard one. The track on that myspace page was played using that amp too.

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Yep, pretty much any amp will do.

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Peavey Valveking 112. I know it's not an amp known for the blues but with time I can make any TUBE amp sound bluesy.

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Yep, pretty much any amp will do.

True but I have to admit different amps are better at getting the sound I want. I Understand why people are saying its all about the feel and the player but to say gear has nothing to do with it is bunk. If thats the case we should all own just one amp for everything. Come on a 64 Bassman, Tweed deluxe, Peavey Delta there are some amps and guitars better for the Blues then others. This stuff saying its all about feelng is crap, Guys making a living playing Blues no what goes along with there feelng and there style of what sound want. They just don't do it with any Guitar and amp and be happy with it.

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CV this guys made a good bit of dough recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNoPNC3ebYQ

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CV this guys made a good bit of dough recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNoPNC3ebYQ

Quote [no what goes along with there feelng and there style of what sound want. They just don't do it with any Guitar and amp and be happy with it.] He has got a cool sound and I like it. I could not do it with some of his gear. The key words are there feeling and the style what gear gives them what they want. Gear is important much of that players appeal and sound is do to what he is using to get the sound he wants. Change it it may not be happy with it.

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Hey Niki, I just went to your myspace page for the first time. Cool! I listened to St. Georges Day and enjoyed it. I don't know how to get around on myspace. Are there any more songs that you have recorded on there that I can listen to? I managed to look at all your equipment-impressive dude! Is that the name of the band you used to play with or still do? Thanks! 8)


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he uses a 15watt vox modeller. Granted he is a anomaly but the point remains. He got his sound out of junk, theres no reason we should be sold high end VR's when its just not the ethos of the music as much as it is marketing. No blues amp is ever going to turn john williams into johnny winter. Within that style of music gear/brand loyalty is very inconsequential in reality. We fall for the 3 card trick and constantly get suckered into the whole 'this will make you sound better' marketing tactic.

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cvilleira wrote:
True but I have to admit different amps are better at getting the sound I want. I Understand why people are saying its all about the feel and the player but to say gear has nothing to do with it is bunk. If thats the case we should all own just one amp for everything. Come on a 64 Bassman, Tweed deluxe, Peavey Delta there are some amps and guitars better for the Blues then others.


Muddy Waters played a tele, Clapton plays Strats but he's play Gibbys, BB King plays modified ES-335's...Clapton's used Marshall "Bluesbreakers", JTM heads, Fender Showman's, Twins, Champs, Music Man amps and Sodanos, King uses Labs, Muddy used whatever in his early days and Supers later on. Dude...it don't matter. More over, to use your own logic, if there was indeed one "perfect" amp for blues (or any other style), then all these folks wouldn't use different amps or guitars...everyone would be playing the exact same thing because that's what everyone would know was "the best".


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This stuff saying its all about feelng is crap, Guys making a living playing Blues no what goes along with there feelng and there style of what sound want. They just don't do it with any Guitar and amp and be happy with it.


I think you're confusing all of this with "personal preference". Blues or otherwise, some people have certain tastes when it comes to gear. For example, why do I play a Strat? Because I like Strats...I like the way they feel and I like the way they look. Doesn't mean I can't do what I do on a different guitar though. I like my old Kramer too. I don't care for Les Pauls but if that's -all- I had to play, I'd play it...playing a guitar I don't really care for is a hell of a lot better than not playing at all. Same thing is true of amps...yea, my old Bandmaster is a great sounding old tube amp, but my Lab L5 is also a great sounding amp. I actually own 7 amps in all...which do I use the most? My Peavey Backstage Plus! LOL!!! It's very easy to lug around, it's loud enough for your average jam and with the help of a pedal or two, it's a pretty decent sounding amp.

If you want to see something amazing, check this out...

http://www.youtube.com/v/7x0yTt7LJ0o&hl=en&fs=1

Check out the amps these guys are playing thru...a pair of little Peaveys.

I'm sorry but I have to go with niki here. I've known guys...-real- blues players who just smoked and did so on the rattiest crap you could imagine. One old guy who was a friend of a friend, actually used to play something like a Teisco or something...cheap old department store guitar and he'd just plug thru whatever amp was there on stage at the time...he didn't actually own his own amp. In the same respects, I've known guys that have owned top notch, really expensive gear who can't play a lick.

As I've said before, Clapton would still sound like Clapton regardless of whether he was playing a $200 Squire, a LP or something else and he'd certainly still sound like Clapton regardless of what amp he was playing thru.

An amp is an amp. It's job is to make your guitar louder. Very simply here, if I were to sit down and record a bunch of tracks on a bunch of different amps, it's unlikely that anyone here could tell me which amp a given track was recorded with. In fact, let's try something here...a little experiment if you will. Here's the link to my Soundclick page...play the tune "Rowan" and then tell me which guitars and which amps I used. I'll even make it easy for you...don't worry about the rhythm guitar...let's just take the lead for now. Rowan...what guitar and what amp for the lead?


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default ... tent=music

Come on dude...the challenge is there. Honestly...can you really tell what gear I used? I could be wrong but I'm guessing you have no clue. Had I of used "guitar B" instead of "guitar A" or a different amp, would it have made -any- difference at all? No...of course not because you still wouldn't know.

I'm not trying to be rude here but very simply, it's all in your head dude. You've bought into the hype hook, line and sinker...you think there's a difference so when your playing, you hear a difference. In some cases sure those differences are real but they're relatively insignificant compared with your actual playing.

Like I said earlier...if a person is that focused on the gear, they're focusing on the wrong thing.

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I also Installed Texas Specials in my Strat which are damn nice- Lots of mid range, Great Bass - with a classic Fender tone. (No...You wont sound like SRV..only SRV sounds like SRV...but you will get that nice overall tone)


I agree 100%. I have Texas Specials in my Strat and I love the tone, it's great for blues but it works for other styles too.

As far as an amp goes, I'd highly recommend you get a tube amp. Try a bunch to see what you like. :)

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But a lot of us do use different gear for the sounds we are looking for. I can get a good blues sound through my Cube30X but I am not happy with it through My AC30 sure that may be preference but if you are like me you are striving to get your sound, Me I would love to have a Fender Blues deluxe but I don't. I change guitars and amps as to what I want to get. Sure I can play it thru any of my amps but some sound more classic blues to me then others. Now if you want to call that preference thats fine.Thats what all music interpetation is. Heck concering Blues I rather use my Samiick Archtop or My Sons ES335 followed by LP. I don't use any of My Strats for Blues sets though. Just My preference!

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cvilleira wrote:
tomk62 wrote:
Yep, pretty much any amp will do.

True but I have to admit different amps are better at getting the sound I want.


Agreed! The point being that it's very personal and subjective. Find the combination of gear that sounds good to you. :D

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