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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:39 pm
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Mr Bill wrote:
Hello AlwaysStrat,

Don't know what you've been
reading but myself and many more
are quite happy with their new
American standards, I'm not gonig to turn
this thread into mines better because-----
Just reporting my happiness.

Back on topic I'm confident 70's
big head will be continuosly reissued.

Cheers.

good day mr. bill
i also have a 2008 american standard
fine guitar BUT! it just doesnt give me
the tones i desire like my 2007 HWY ONES

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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:40 pm
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That's exactly right Ceri, and for all the right reasons. I listed those reasons in the previous post, and while I have nothing against the American Standard Strat...I've played lots of them, and WOW, are they ever ordinary! I'm not getting the huge attraction these forums give to those and the Highway One. The best anyone can ever give me is that they're " reasonably priced" or better yet, " cheap".

When talking Stratocasters, that's about as lame as you get.


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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:49 pm
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Fender could well be reissuing the casio keyboard. Squire could do the binatone :lol:

I seriously think guitar pop will have died out by then. carl perkins, jimi hendrix and EVH all made great leaps progress that changed music, but notice the impact lessened with each player. Theres been no one of akin to em in the 80's,90's and 00's. There have been a couple of players that explored ideas and momentarily come up with something good but nothing lasting. Popular selling guitars are just the same. Even parker and viger only offer interpretations on a theme.

The end is nigh.

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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:58 pm
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Pete55 wrote:
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You will get to buy the 2057 reissue of the 2037 reissue of the "American Vintage ‘57 Stratocaster"


That's the best given here answer yet. A re-iuuse of an American Standard...no. What the hell is magic about an Am Standard? There's nothing wrong with it, but there's also no magic, no lure, no history, no ground breaking innovations, no glory, no desirability in the studio, nothing grand ever recorded with it, in short it has very little past, so in Fender's world why would it have a future that includes re-issues?

Why would you re-issue something that is constantly in supply, being improved all the time, being sold all the time, and no collectability?

Let's give this Am Standard business a rest. They're good guitars basically. That's it.

ha ha ha i guess pete you dont like the american std

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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:02 pm
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Never said I didn't LIKE them. In fact I said there is nothing wrong with them. What I said is there's nothing magical about them. They're intensely ordinary. I feel a massive yawn coming on right now as a matter of fact.


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Quote "I'm not getting the huge attraction these forums give to those and the Highway One." End Quote I think much of that is now days guitars are so mass produced there is no individual feel to them between the guitars of the same model.

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I remember starting back in the 70s, everyone and their mother wanted a real Pre-CBS Fender and would, "jump through hoops" to get one. I find it ironic that relatively speaking, nowadays they are hardly even discussed any more. I surmise this is due to the advances in manufacturing technology over the years which can now duplicate them easily enough. The point is, tastes change, music and musical stylings evolve. Consequently, who knows down the road what will stand out in those people's heads as a truly desirable RI?

I'll bet that technology will advance to the point where it would become a routine procedure where the buyer inputs his or her personal preferences/requirements on line (or whatever they've evolved to by then), pays for it, and the guitar gets delivered directly to him or her within a few days; your very own signature guitar at what we know today as the usual, standard assembly line price. Wouldn't this be something? Further, the only "Custom Shop" stuff per se, would be those which are even in part, hand made.

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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:20 pm
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That's the other wonderful option. Fender Custom Shop. Most of the CS demand is for Masterbuilt or Teambuilt versions of older models. That still tells us the same story, whcih is that Pre-CBS was good back then and is considered a water mark today.


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Pete55 wrote:
That's exactly right Ceri, and for all the right reasons. I listed those reasons in the previous post, and while I have nothing against the American Standard Strat...I've played lots of them, and WOW, are they ever ordinary! I'm not getting the huge attraction these forums give to those and the Highway One. The best anyone can ever give me is that they're " reasonably priced" or better yet, " cheap".

When talking Stratocasters, that's about as lame as you get.

lame? the american std and the highway one lame?
no i doubt that.

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Yes. Lame. Not of themselves, but by point of comparison. The HW 1 is the entry level American made guitar. Whoopty do! They're OK, but not stellar, and in light of what comes out of Custom Shop, what is Masterbuilt, what is being re-issued at considerable build cost and quality, and what a real vintage guitar feels, sounds and plays like...yea, they're outright lame.

I own one. It's not my crowning achievement in purchases, that's for sure.


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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:45 pm
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Pete55 wrote:
Yes. Lame. Not of themselves, but by point of comparison. The HW 1 is the entry level American made guitar. Whoopty do! They're OK, but not stellar, and in light of what comes out of Custom Shop, what is Masterbuilt, what is being re-issued at considerable build cost and quality, and what a real vintage guitar feels, sounds and plays like...yea, they're outright lame.

I own one. It's not my crowning achievement in purchases, that's for sure.

hahaha ok. the highway one upgraded versions
are one of the most tone vesatile guitars out there
today. i guess its what you like.

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Well, I own one. And I repaired and adjusted guitars for a living. And I'm not 19 anymore. And I never wanted more versatility in tone than a Stratocaster ever gave me. I wanted a good Stratocaster.

I picked my HW 1 from at least 100 I played over time. You can upgrade, sidegrade, ungrade, grade on a curve, or drive a grader...it's still not a stellar Stratocaster. It's not "what I like...". I'd like it to be awesome. It's what it is. It's not.


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I think Pete55 just meant that there needs to be a little more excitement about the qualities of an instrument before it would make a worthy reissue...otherwise the advertising-blurb-of-the-future would read "Yeah, back in the day everyone had one of these, they found them to be a pretty decent guitars at reasonable prices. Now you, too, can enjoy acceptable quality for the money -- except that this is an expensive reproduction of those workin'-man guitars, so it'll cost you but you can still enjoy the 'standard' sound"

They're good guitars, but they're reissued every year already!

Possibly some of the models that preceded the current ones... the steps in the process of refinement that are nice guitars in their own right... may get a look-in. I know I'm always crapping on about ultras, but that model was just about the first production guitar to have an ebony fretboard and a flame maple laminated top -- techniques learned from the ultra production run have influenced many other aspects of Fender's workflow. The coil-splitter switch has evolved into the more elegant push-button volume knob switcher in the Deluxe series, and I can imagine a time when people might look back on the whole Lace sensor era with fondness.

But yeah, on the whole it seems the '57 and '62 reissues will most likely still be around. I'll feel like I understand more of how the process works if I start to see the hot pink twin-humbucker "The Strat" reissued sometime over the next twenty years... :)

/edit oops, sorry, didn't realise the debate was still raging while I was crafting my reply...as you were...heh


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What do you think a reproduction Road Worn :shock: :lol: :lol:

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Purchases rarely live up to their advertizing these days. :cry:

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