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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:16 am
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All very interesting. I love learning about this stuff. Forgive me but Im still skeptical.

Maybe they did drill extra holes or use a nail to hang the body, but that theory isnt necessarily accurate and we already know the guy modified the guitar. He bored out the pup bays and obviously had a different guard on it.

Also, I recognize there were reissues from those years, but those serial numbers are both "V-0xxxx". I have been under the impression, and I dont think Im alone on this, that the "V" implies Vintage series and the "0" implies the year 2000. You suggest that is not correct. Maybe Im wrong.

I dont know. Smarter guys than me like it, but I still smell smoke.


I did see the holes in the black guitar which to me suggest that the finish is not original. Those two holes are what Luthiers do to attatch a stick for repainting a guitar body. There is also another detail in that neck cavity that is missing: the Inspection Sticker. I also agree tht the pickguard is not original as well. The giveaway there is the position of the screw hole that is above the middle and neck pickup. That one is moved approximately 1.25" further forward, where it should be located directly above the front of the middle pickup's vertical surface.
I would say that this pickguard, with the full metal shielding material is probably from WD. None of the RI guitars from the 80's ever had that much shielding from the factory.

Just a few observations that I've noticed on that guitar.

I don't intend to contradict what may be happening with the present day RI guitars BigJay, in fact what you say may actually be what they are doing with the sn#'s for the 2000 guitars and above. Honestly, I don't know how the newer RI guitars are being numbered. In fact, I've believed for over 15 years, that my RI guitar was a 1983 model. Now, it appears to be possible that it may actually be an 82' model instead.
In A.R. Duchossoir's books on the Stratocaster, both picture the neckplate of a 1982 Vintage RI, with the SN: V006421.
My guitar's SN is lower than that one. The pencil marks on the inspection tag in the neck pocket, and at the heel of the neck are quite worn and not legible.

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It was never my intent to purchase either of these guitars. Just a reference to potential value.

Without getting too technical, I believe that the reissues are made very much the same way as the originals and as such should increase in value simply because in time they will play better and sound better. So, point is, these are never going to be as good as a real '62 Strat but in 20-30 years I think that they stand a pretty good chance of being worth something.

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Penned neck heel dating has been staple since 1952. Both my customshop, 95mim and 2007 57 hotrod have penned on neck dates.
Its when you can get a hands on inspection to see if those dates/numbers line up with the body, and hang tags too in some cases.

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I agree with you BigJay. They may or may not increase in value as the years pass, and tht remains to be seen. Only one rule of thumb seems to apply to the "Vintage" market. Anything that is bought or sold in that market is only going to be worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
Definitely a guitar like that or any other, I would want in my hands before reaching for my wallet. I'd want to check it thoroughly myself, and would not buy anything like that without doing so.
I've been offered a lot of money for a few of my older guitars, but I've turned it down for the reason that I simply did'nt want to sell any of them. It would cost me a ridiculous amount of money to get guitars built with the same quality as these anyway, so it simply is'nt worth it IMHO.

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The first one has 2 issues with it first it has a black nut should be white could have been changed and second the head stock should say orignal contoured body. These were standard in 85


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The first one has 2 issues with it first it has a black nut should be white could have been changed and second the head stock should say orignal contoured body. These were standard in 85

You are right there is a label missing on the 85'

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The subtle details of identifying an 82-84 Fullerton Reissue????? Come On!!! I have no reason to doubt that people pay a lot of money for legitimate Fullerton Vintage Reissues from 1981-1985, or whenever. And whether I think they are worth the money is irrelevant. But validating one requires a very unique data set and a very keen and trained eye.

I guess as Jay suggested, the type of person who is looking for one of these specifically, is going to identify inconsistencies- in the flip-side, so should the seller.. unless of course they dont know any better themselves and all they see is an old strat in good condition- so its worth something. No-one who is going to buy one of these wouldnt inspect before purchasing, given the price of them.. although in some countries you cant just jump in your car and drive for an hour just to play and inspect it. Chances are, someone is going to pay for it and not know untill later on that certain mods have been done realising they may have paid too much?

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No-one who is going to buy one of these wouldnt inspect before purchasing, given the price of them.. although in some countries you cant just jump in your car and drive for an hour just to play and inspect it. quote]

Absolutely. Buying at any level should have Aa hands on inspection. The greater the cost, the higher the need for such. To buy without inspection new or old your asking for trouble. You can rely on seller/manufacturer guarantees but who wants that agro should things not be right.

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There are some people on e-bay that will knowingly rip you off bit I think that most of the people selling gutiars don,t know what they are selling. Alot have been bought and resold by people who are unaware of what they have. Ask questions and research the item.Its easy enough since your already on the internet. Ive bought gutiars off ebay that have been discribed as one thing but was something compleatly different. I knew it but the seller didn,t and I got a good deal. Theres been alot of that going on lately on ebay I have found several Am Delux being advertised as Am going for about $700.00 in perfect cond. to me thats a damn good deal. Just ask questions.


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