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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:50 pm
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What is better to but a fender made in mexico strat or a fender japan strat


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If I had to choose I would probably go for the japanese one :)


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If I had to choose I would probably go for the japanese one :)


why are they better


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rock god wrote:
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If I had to choose I would probably go for the japanese one :)


why are they better


This should be good. :roll:

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Martian wrote:
rock god wrote:
Synkronized wrote:
If I had to choose I would probably go for the japanese one :)


why are they better


This should be good. :roll:


Yes it should! Waiting to see. :wink:


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rock god wrote:
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If I had to choose I would probably go for the japanese one :)


why are they better


Well, personally speaking, I already have two MIM's one MIA and a MIJ would be awesome for my fender collection lol, on the other hand japanese fenders are considered to be high quality guitars so much so that I heard in the 80's or early 90's they were considered to be better than American fenders so a little bit of history is behind their reputation....


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I have a MIA (Deluxe),a Custom Shop, and a MIJ(85) and I got to tell you I love the MIJ just as much! :wink:


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rock god wrote:
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If I had to choose I would probably go for the japanese one :)


why are they better


...japanese fenders...I heard in the 80's or early 90's they were considered to be better than American fenders...


See, this is what I mean. Can someone produce some first hand, concrete, definitive proof?

I've owned several from the subject era but I'm going to keep my conclusions to myself as this topic is akin to discussing religion or politics.

Food for thought: Back when these Japanese made guitars were, "prime time", they were getting slammed like the MIMs are now (vs the US stuff). Isn't it amazing how mere time and folklore can attempt to rewrite history?

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fhopkins wrote:
Martian wrote:
rock god wrote:
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If I had to choose I would probably go for the japanese one :)


why are they better


This should be good. :roll:


Yes it should! Waiting to see. :wink:

Since the 2006 upgrade the MIM :wink: Never mind

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cvilleira wrote:
fhopkins wrote:
Martian wrote:
rock god wrote:
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If I had to choose I would probably go for the japanese one :)


why are they better


This should be good. :roll:


Yes it should! Waiting to see. :wink:

Since the 2006 upgrade the MIM :wink: Never mind

HaHa! Good one CV. :)


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I have owned a couple of MIM's, I own a Highway 1, I own 2 mid 80's MIJ's.
My personal preference is the MIJ's.

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cvilleira wrote:
fhopkins wrote:
Martian wrote:
rock god wrote:
Synkronized wrote:
If I had to choose I would probably go for the japanese one :)


why are they better


This should be good. :roll:


Yes it should! Waiting to see. :wink:

Since the 2006 upgrade the MIM :wink: Never mind

Did not want to let You or Martin down we no how these can go sometimes.

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Martian wrote:
Synkronized wrote:
rock god wrote:
Synkronized wrote:
If I had to choose I would probably go for the japanese one :)


why are they better


...japanese fenders...I heard in the 80's or early 90's they were considered to be better than American fenders...


See, this is what I mean. Can someone produce some first hand, concrete, definitive proof?

I've owned several from the subject era but I'm going to keep my conclusions to myself as this topic is akin to discussing religion or politics.

Food for thought: Back when these Japanese made guitars were, "prime time", they were getting slammed like the MIMs are now (vs the US stuff). Isn't it amazing how mere time and folklore can attempt to rewrite history?



The Fender Stratocaster is arguably the most popular electric guitar design ever. Almost certainly it is the most copied. The copies had always been considerably cheaper than the 'real thing', but by the early 1980's they were also often of a high standard. Bad news for Fender who, under CBS ownership, had let standards slip. Fender's reputation and market share were waning.

In 1981, a new management team largely recruited from Yamaha's American operation, decided on a two pronged attack. They would address quality control via a programme of reinvestment and staff training in the US, and at the same time hit the copyists in their home market by producing Fender guitars in Japan.

Following negotiations with two Japanese distribution companies, Kanda Shokai and Yamano Music, Fender Japan was established in March 1982. Fender held 38 percent of the stock, occupied three of the six board seats and, of course, owned the all important product licenses. Fuji Gen-Gakki, best known for building Ibanez brand guitars, were chosen to build Fender Japan instruments.

Back in the USA, in an effort to rediscover what had made Fender's reputation, the company went to vintage dealers and took measurements from pre-CBS production instruments. They even spent $5600 on buying a '57 Precision bass, '60 Jazz bass and a '61 Strat. Both the US factory at Fullerton and Fender Japan set about producing vintage reissues- in fact the Japanese were the first to succeed and the superb quality of their instruments resulted in the famous quote by Dan Smith, Director of Marketing, Electric Guitars at the time :"Everybody came up to inspect them and the guys almost cried, because the Japanese product was so good - it was what we had been having a hell of a time trying to do."
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Originally the idea had been for Fender Japan to produce guitars for their home market. However, when Fender's European distributors called for budget Fenders to compete with the flood of oriental imports effecting their sales, a range of lower price guitars was launched under the Squier brand. Squier guitars are outside the scope of this site- suffice it to say that they are a good buy for the price, with early Japanese made instruments being of particularly good quality.

In 1984 CBS decided to get out of the musical instrument business and sold Fender to an investment group led by Bill Schultz, the incumbent President of Fender Musical Instruments. The Fullerton factory was not part of the deal and US production ceased in February 1985. Towards the end of that year a new factory was established at nearby Corona, but for a while the 'new' Fender Musical Instruments Corporation (FMIC) pretty much relied upon Japanese production. In fact it has been estimated that as many as 80% of the guitars sold in the US between late 1984 and mid-86 were sourced from Fender Japan.

I dont believe for a second that MIJ's were getting slammed..... but thats just me :D


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Synkronized wrote:
Martian wrote:
Synkronized wrote:
rock god wrote:
Synkronized wrote:
If I had to choose I would probably go for the japanese one :)


why are they better


...japanese fenders...I heard in the 80's or early 90's they were considered to be better than American fenders...


See, this is what I mean. Can someone produce some first hand, concrete, definitive proof?

I've owned several from the subject era but I'm going to keep my conclusions to myself as this topic is akin to discussing religion or politics.

Food for thought: Back when these Japanese made guitars were, "prime time", they were getting slammed like the MIMs are now (vs the US stuff). Isn't it amazing how mere time and folklore can attempt to rewrite history?



The Fender Stratocaster is arguably the most popular electric guitar design ever. Almost certainly it is the most copied. The copies had always been considerably cheaper than the 'real thing', but by the early 1980's they were also often of a high standard. Bad news for Fender who, under CBS ownership, had let standards slip. Fender's reputation and market share were waning.

In 1981, a new management team largely recruited from Yamaha's American operation, decided on a two pronged attack. They would address quality control via a programme of reinvestment and staff training in the US, and at the same time hit the copyists in their home market by producing Fender guitars in Japan.

Following negotiations with two Japanese distribution companies, Kanda Shokai and Yamano Music, Fender Japan was established in March 1982. Fender held 38 percent of the stock, occupied three of the six board seats and, of course, owned the all important product licenses. Fuji Gen-Gakki, best known for building Ibanez brand guitars, were chosen to build Fender Japan instruments.

Back in the USA, in an effort to rediscover what had made Fender's reputation, the company went to vintage dealers and took measurements from pre-CBS production instruments. They even spent $5600 on buying a '57 Precision bass, '60 Jazz bass and a '61 Strat. Both the US factory at Fullerton and Fender Japan set about producing vintage reissues- in fact the Japanese were the first to succeed and the superb quality of their instruments resulted in the famous quote by Dan Smith, Director of Marketing, Electric Guitars at the time :"Everybody came up to inspect them and the guys almost cried, because the Japanese product was so good - it was what we had been having a hell of a time trying to do."
.

Originally the idea had been for Fender Japan to produce guitars for their home market. However, when Fender's European distributors called for budget Fenders to compete with the flood of oriental imports effecting their sales, a range of lower price guitars was launched under the Squier brand. Squier guitars are outside the scope of this site- suffice it to say that they are a good buy for the price, with early Japanese made instruments being of particularly good quality.

In 1984 CBS decided to get out of the musical instrument business and sold Fender to an investment group led by Bill Schultz, the incumbent President of Fender Musical Instruments. The Fullerton factory was not part of the deal and US production ceased in February 1985. Towards the end of that year a new factory was established at nearby Corona, but for a while the 'new' Fender Musical Instruments Corporation (FMIC) pretty much relied upon Japanese production. In fact it has been estimated that as many as 80% of the guitars sold in the US between late 1984 and mid-86 were sourced from Fender Japan.

I dont believe for a second that MIJ's were getting slammed..... but thats just me :D


Believe me, they were; chiefly because they weren't made in America.

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