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Post subject: my 1st ADS. With or without lsr...? help please
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:47 pm
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Hi all.

I Got my 1st American Deluxe Stratocaster in sunburst today and i´m loving it and the factory set up was alright for me.I´ve also tried the hss but i guess i prefer the vintage sound better.The only thing that made me think twice was the lsr on the hss wich more then anything allowes for the fuitar to stay in tune when using the trem a bit harder .So i guess my question is...will i be able to get one neck lsr later if i want to or should i go back and trade this one for the hss and then change the pickups(is the wiring similar as well?).I was a bit dissapointed with the case as well it seems fragile i thought it came with the new sbk case after all it is a deluxe series!!
Thanks in advance and i´m sorry for my bad english.


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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:30 pm
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musiluna wrote:
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I Got my 1st American Deluxe Stratocaster in sunburst today and i´m loving it and the factory set up was alright for me.I´ve also tried the hss but i guess i prefer the vintage sound better.The only thing that made me think twice was the lsr on the hss wich more then anything allowes for the fuitar to stay in tune when using the trem a bit harder .So i guess my question is...will i be able to get one neck lsr later if i want to or should i go back and trade this one for the hss and then change the pickups(is the wiring similar as well?).I was a bit dissapointed with the case as well it seems fragile i thought it came with the new sbk case after all it is a deluxe series!!
Thanks in advance and i´m sorry for my bad english.


If you really like the LSR nut then you should exchange it, however many people prefer the normal nut... I guess its just a matter of opinions... you can also eventually have an LSR nut installed on your guitar but that ofcourse should be done by a professional on the field... I personally would stay with the one you have right now I am not crazy about the idea of LSR nuts but thats just me ... I love bone nuts :D


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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:44 pm
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Welcome!

You've got a lot of information here. Let me see if I can paraphrase a bit so we can sort out your concerns and questions.

You bought a SSS Strat with a standard nut.

You prefer the vintage, single coils arrangement of a SSS Strat yet you prefer the LSR nut which only comes with an HSS Strat. You are considering exchanging the SSS for the HSS because of the LSR and request our advice.

A LSR can be installed in your existing neck but it would be custom work where naturally, it would cost you extra money. The same applies to replacing the electronics of an HSS Strat with that of a SSS. Either of these modifications would be expensive but here is an easier way:

I would suggest that your cheapest and most satisfying way out would be to obtain the HSS with the LSR and have the bridge pickup (the H) rewired so that only one of its coils will be working. Thus, even though it will still look like an HSS, in reality it will be a SSS.

To answer your earlier question, the wiring in either model is very similar.

Evidentally, many people are complaining about their disappointment with the new cases the guitars are coming in so you are not alone with this.

No need to apologize for your English. It is certainly better than some who are born and raised in an English speaking country!

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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:45 pm
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I asked my luthier about this back when I bought my am dlx, and I'm just going to relay to you what he told me. Yes it can be done, but I wouldn't recomend it. The regular nut gives it better sustain, and not really much difference in tuning stability. If you get a proper set up done on your guitar, tuning shouldn't be a problem (and for me he was absolutley right)
They have to cut into your guitar to install it, so if you're set on getting it done, by all means, but do you really want to cut into your new $1200 guitar? Once its in, you can't go back to another nut. All the guitar gods that play strats have normal nuts. If you use the tremolo really hard, you may want to consider putting in a graphite nut, although you'll need to replace it more often due to the fact they tend to wear out. Good luck.


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Hi.
First of all...
Thank you, for all your replies.I´m strongly considering going back to the store and trading the sss for the hss but i feel i would be betraying myself,lol if i do so :wink: .The finnish is quite similar although the the fading of the sunburst into brown is a bit lighter and the fingerboard is in Maple as well ...but no worries there.
The price is similar i´ve paid for this guitar 1295 euros in Lismusica,Lisbon/Portugal (http://www.lismusica.pt/pt_pt/sistema/d ... h///2/1/2/) .
One question doe;can i change the neck of my current guitar for one
that has the rosewood finguerboard with the LRS? If so how could i do it,what path could i persue?
And is still dont understand why Fender does not suply a tougher case with the guitar,after all i like the molded case that comes with it i just wish it would be stronger,specially beeing an American DELUXE.

Thanks in advance
p.s_I will be posting pictures of my baby later.


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You're welcome!

Yes, the necks are interchangeable however, Fender does NOT sell them separately. You'd either have to find someone to trade necks with or you'd have to buy a neck from an e-Bay seller who buys Strats and takes them apart to sell all the parts individually.

Simply put, it's cheaper for Fender to either manufacture or subcontract and buy the cases they are now offering. Besides, if you don't like the Fender case the guitar comes with, you can always buy a Fender case you do like and that makes Fender even more money.

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So i went ahead with the trade it should be here by next week and hopefully will come with the new case...i´ll be posting some pictures once i get it...
Keep rockin...


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musiluna wrote:
So i went ahead with the trade it should be here by next week and hopefully will come with the new case...i´ll be posting some pictures once i get it...
Keep rockin...


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Post subject: Re: my 1st ADS. With or without lsr...? help please
Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:14 am
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Martian wrote:
I would suggest that your cheapest and most satisfying way out would be to obtain the HSS with the LSR and have the bridge pickup (the H) rewired so that only one of its coils will be working. Thus, even though it will still look like an HSS, in reality it will be a SSS.


Hi musiluna (does that mean "moon-music"?): Martian's suggestion is a good one - except that your HSS Deluxe comes with the S1 Switch which offers a whole range of extra sounds which you might like to keep. Take a look at the switching options on the spec sheet:

http://www.fender.com/products//view_sp ... reg%3B+HSS

I also have an HSS Strat with the S1 and one surprising thing is that amongst all those options they don't include the split humbucker on its own. That might be because it isn't the highest output humbucker on the planet (in order to balance with the single coils) so split in half it might seem rather weak. On the other hand, that would be precisely the low output "vintage" sound you are after.

So, a modified version of Martian's suggestion: leave the pickup wiring essentially as it is, but ask a well qualified tech whether it would be possible to add a little switch to split the humbucker (you could turn one of the tone pots into a push-pull switch to acheive this).

I don't know whether that can be done in conjunction with the S1 system - it is certainly well above my pay grade! But someone may know: heck, some clever soul here might be able to work out the circuit for you (hint, hint)...

Good luck, and enjoy a very beautiful instrument.

Cheers - C


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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:45 am
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Ceri wrote:
Martian wrote:
I would suggest that your cheapest and most satisfying way out would be to obtain the HSS with the LSR and have the bridge pickup (the H) rewired so that only one of its coils will be working. Thus, even though it will still look like an HSS, in reality it will be a SSS.



I also have an HSS Strat with the S1 and one surprising thing is that amongst all those options they don't include the split humbucker on its own. That might be because it isn't the highest output humbucker on the planet (in order to balance with the single coils) so split in half it might seem rather weak. On the other hand, that would be precisely the low output "vintage" sound you are after.

So, a modified version of Martian's suggestion: leave the pickup wiring essentially as it is, but ask a well qualified tech whether it would be possible to add a little switch to split the humbucker (you could turn one of the tone pots into a push-pull switch to acheive this).

I don't know whether that can be done in conjunction with the S1 system - it is certainly well above my pay grade! But someone may know: heck, some clever soul here might be able to work out the circuit for you (hint, hint)...

Good luck, and enjoy a very beautiful instrument.

Cheers - C


Adding a switch or push pot to the humbucker for single coil capability would be easily doable regardless of the S1 system. The only drawback of a push-pot would be where the controls compartment of the body may not be deep enough to accommodate and so, routing would be necessary.

My earlier post stated to shut down one of the HB's coils for pure single coil. I presumed this is truly what was required. However, it just dawned on me that the other two 'single coils' in the guitar are in fact, stacked HBs and not single coils. So, I must also offer this alternative and caviat:

To mimic a single coil tonality, the full sized HB should be wired in parallel. This way, the pickup would still remain humbucking but would have the sought after single coil tonality.

In terms of compatible output, the SCNs are relatively low output HB pickups; the full sized HB is on the high end of a moderate output HB. The output balance among the three would still be similar and acceptable.

A switch or a push pot (with the aforementioned caution) can still be used for the parallel wiring of the full sized HB.

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Martian wrote:
...see above...


Excellent - sorted!

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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:38 pm
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Martian wrote:
Ceri wrote:
Martian wrote:
I would suggest that your cheapest and most satisfying way out would be to obtain the HSS with the LSR and have the bridge pickup (the H) rewired so that only one of its coils will be working. Thus, even though it will still look like an HSS, in reality it will be a SSS.



I also have an HSS Strat with the S1 and one surprising thing is that amongst all those options they don't include the split humbucker on its own. That might be because it isn't the highest output humbucker on the planet (in order to balance with the single coils) so split in half it might seem rather weak. On the other hand, that would be precisely the low output "vintage" sound you are after.

So, a modified version of Martian's suggestion: leave the pickup wiring essentially as it is, but ask a well qualified tech whether it would be possible to add a little switch to split the humbucker (you could turn one of the tone pots into a push-pull switch to acheive this).

I don't know whether that can be done in conjunction with the S1 system - it is certainly well above my pay grade! But someone may know: heck, some clever soul here might be able to work out the circuit for you (hint, hint)...

Good luck, and enjoy a very beautiful instrument.

Cheers - C


Adding a switch or push pot to the humbucker for single coil capability would be easily doable regardless of the S1 system. The only drawback of a push-pot would be where the controls compartment of the body may not be deep enough to accommodate and so, routing would be necessary.

My earlier post stated to shut down one of the HB's coils for pure single coil. I presumed this is truly what was required. However, it just dawned on me that the other two 'single coils' in the guitar are in fact, stacked HBs and not single coils. So, I must also offer this alternative and caviat:

To mimic a single coil tonality, the full sized HB should be wired in parallel. This way, the pickup would still remain humbucking but would have the sought after single coil tonality.

In terms of compatible output, the SCNs are relatively low output HB pickups; the full sized HB is on the high end of a moderate output HB. The output balance among the three would still be similar and acceptable.

A switch or a push pot (with the aforementioned caution) can still be used for the parallel wiring of the full sized HB.



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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:46 pm
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Ceri wrote:
Martian wrote:
I would suggest that your cheapest and most satisfying way out would be to obtain the HSS with the LSR and have the bridge pickup (the H) rewired so that only one of its coils will be working. Thus, even though it will still look like an HSS, in reality it will be a SSS.


Hi musiluna (does that mean "moon-music"?): Martian's suggestion is a good one - except that your HSS Deluxe comes with the S1 Switch which offers a whole range of extra sounds which you might like to keep. Take a look at the switching options on the spec sheet:

http://www.fender.com/products//view_sp ... reg%3B+HSS

I also have an HSS Strat with the S1 and one surprising thing is that amongst all those options they don't include the split humbucker on its own. That might be because it isn't the highest output humbucker on the planet (in order to balance with the single coils) so split in half it might seem rather weak. On the other hand, that would be precisely the low output "vintage" sound you are after.

So, a modified version of Martian's suggestion: leave the pickup wiring essentially as it is, but ask a well qualified tech whether it would be possible to add a little switch to split the humbucker (you could turn one of the tone pots into a push-pull switch to acheive this).

I don't know whether that can be done in conjunction with the S1 system - it is certainly well above my pay grade! But someone may know: heck, some clever soul here might be able to work out the circuit for you (hint, hint)...

Good luck, and enjoy a very beautiful instrument.

Cheers - C



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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:10 pm
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musiluna wrote:
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well i got it yesterday i´ll be posting a few pictures of my ADS hss soon, i think it was the right choice.
Now about changing that humbucker, which pickup do you advice me?
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