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Callaham parts came today!

Gilmour style short trem:

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block and new trem springs:

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All I need now is the saddles!

Also, I've decided to wait a short while before replacing the nut. When speaking with earvana they informed me that a bone version of the nut I was seeking will soon be available. So I've decided to wait for that.

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When speaking with earvana they informed me that a bone version of the nut I was seeking will soon be available. So I've decided to wait for that.

It'll be great to hear some sound samples when all the parts are assembled.... i really like to hear the difference with the earvana nut installed....nice work all_thumbs09... :D

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Mr Thumbs are you taking the earvana route? I'd be most interested to compare your findings on it with my own. I'm suprised at everyones trepidation to try it. I've just ordered another 4 for my other guitars. I cant stand em sounding out of tune anymore. Particularly the 3saddle tele.

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belphedeus wrote:
all_thumbs09 wrote:
When speaking with earvana they informed me that a bone version of the nut I was seeking will soon be available. So I've decided to wait for that.

It'll be great to hear some sound samples when all the parts are assembled.... i really like to hear the difference with the earvana nut installed....nice work all_thumbs09... :D



Ya know. I caught myself wishing I had done some sound bytes before I took all the old parts off. I mean, I know what the guitar used to sound like, but it would be awesome to be able to post some before and after clips so everyone could hear the difference the changes made. I can however: do some before and after with the bone nut. Brilliant idea belph! Thanks!

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all_thumbs09 wrote:
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When speaking with earvana they informed me that a bone version of the nut I was seeking will soon be available. So I've decided to wait for that.

It'll be great to hear some sound samples when all the parts are assembled.... i really like to hear the difference with the earvana nut installed....nice work all_thumbs09... :D



Ya know. I caught myself wishing I had done some sound bytes before I took all the old parts off. I mean, I know what the guitar used to sound like, but it would be awesome to be able to post some before and after clips so everyone could hear the difference the changes made. I can however: do some before and after with the bone nut. Brilliant idea belph! Thanks!


Maybe you could do a Youtube video or something? That way we can stare at it as well as listen in?

Can't wait til it's done for you mate!


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Mr Thumbs are you taking the earvana route? I'd be most interested to compare your findings on it with my own. I'm suprised at everyones trepidation to try it. I've just ordered another 4 for my other guitars. I cant stand em sounding out of tune anymore. Particularly the 3saddle tele.


I considered brass for a while, but I'm really impressed with what i've read on the earvana, so am anxious to give it a try. Yeah mate, I'd be glad to trade notes on the earvana. I almost ordered the drop in model just to have something to compare the bone material too, and still may as it could be over a month before the bone nut is available for retail. Not that a month is all that long, but upon close inspection i noticed a hair line crack in the G slot of my present nut. So i may have to hasten its replacement.

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I've just ordered another 4 for my other guitars..

Hey niki are these the ones that you got for your Fenders? ->http://www.earvana.com/fender_retro.htm.....i wouldn't say frightened of the earvana system......its my crappy ears that cant tell much difference in terms of cents niki...LOL!! :lol:


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Echo_Delta wrote:
all_thumbs09 wrote:
belphedeus wrote:
all_thumbs09 wrote:
When speaking with earvana they informed me that a bone version of the nut I was seeking will soon be available. So I've decided to wait for that.

It'll be great to hear some sound samples when all the parts are assembled.... i really like to hear the difference with the earvana nut installed....nice work all_thumbs09... :D



Ya know. I caught myself wishing I had done some sound bytes before I took all the old parts off. I mean, I know what the guitar used to sound like, but it would be awesome to be able to post some before and after clips so everyone could hear the difference the changes made. I can however: do some before and after with the bone nut. Brilliant idea belph! Thanks!


Maybe you could do a Youtube video or something? That way we can stare at it as well as listen in?

Can't wait til it's done for you mate!



I'll get something up for all to hear, if I can round up the gear to get a vid together then I will. I have a friend a few houses down that does myspace tracks. So at worst case I'll be able to post one of those. Thanks for the well wishes ED, I'm anxious to be done myself. :lol:

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nikininja wrote:
I've just ordered another 4 for my other guitars..

Hey niki are these the ones that you got for your Fenders? ->http://www.earvana.com/fender_retro.htm.....i wouldn't say frightened of the earvana system......its my crappy ears that cant tell much difference in terms of cents niki...LOL!! :lol:


If you install one on a guitar and leave another guitar as straight standard nut you will hear exactly how un-crap your hearing is. I'd go as far to say that if you can tune a guitar to itself you'll hear the benefits of it. That as guitarists were too used to a wrong system, when its put right it makes sense imediately. Its like someone turning a light on.

Mr thumbs their made of a material similar to graphite or teflon. My theory on tone goes along the lines of gladly forsaking bone (as im about to do on my custom classic) to be in tune. The great tone of open strings provided by bone is of no benefit to us if you cant play open E,A,D,G,C chords in the same song.

I recently had a reply from Alex at zachary guitars in regard of his balanced tension strings, intonation and the lack of compensation at the nut of guitars. Despite the light his website puts him in the guy knows his onions when it comes to great sounding guitars. This is part of his reply-

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Intonation is more a factor of physical mass of the core of the string. The larger the mass of the core, the more it is effected by pitch changes (sharpness) when bending. Its mainly the core of the string which effects intonation and thus scale length compensation is needed. The bigger the core the more compensation it needs.


Thats about the simplest explanation i could find as to why our current intonation methods only get half the job done. I've said it many times before that the earvana system isnt a complete cure, but it is a sizeable step towards it.

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nikininja wrote:
If you install one on a guitar and leave another guitar as straight standard nut you will hear exactly how un-crap your hearing is.


Well honestly i'm thinking of installing one for my Strats...but not really sure which one though.Which comes to my question to you in the earlier post which you didn't respond to mate.... :D
Any difference for the Retro-fit and Drop-in style.....


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Hey Thumbs....looks like the project is coming along pretty well, including several "learning experiences". I hate those. Sorry I havent been paying much attention, but Im starting to get curious.

Maybe I didnt catch it, but did you hire a new tech or are you doing most of the work yourself?

How closely are you adhering to Fender specs? Im especially interested in where your pups end up (height) and how you like that sound.



welcome back to the discussion Jay! No, I didnt hire a new tech and did ALL of the work myself.

I've used only fender products with the exception of the callaham block and trem springs and trem arm. The earvana nut will also be an exception.

For pup set up I plan on using chets nickle method just to check it out. No doubt I'll end up doing additional tweaking, but assume that to be a good place to start.

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I've just ordered another 4 for my other guitars..

Hey niki are these the ones that you got for your Fenders? ->http://www.earvana.com/fender_retro.htm.....i wouldn't say frightened of the earvana system......its my crappy ears that cant tell much difference in terms of cents niki...LOL!! :lol:


If you install one on a guitar and leave another guitar as straight standard nut you will hear exactly how un-crap your hearing is. I'd go as far to say that if you can tune a guitar to itself you'll hear the benefits of it. That as guitarists were too used to a wrong system, when its put right it makes sense imediately. Its like someone turning a light on.

Mr thumbs their made of a material similar to graphite or teflon. My theory on tone goes along the lines of gladly forsaking bone (as im about to do on my custom classic) to be in tune. The great tone of open strings provided by bone is of no benefit to us if you cant play open E,A,D,G,C chords in the same song.

I recently had a reply from Alex at zachary guitars in regard of his balanced tension strings, intonation and the lack of compensation at the nut of guitars. Despite the light his website puts him in the guy knows his onions when it comes to great sounding guitars. This is part of his reply-

Quote:
Intonation is more a factor of physical mass of the core of the string. The larger the mass of the core, the more it is effected by pitch changes (sharpness) when bending. Its mainly the core of the string which effects intonation and thus scale length compensation is needed. The bigger the core the more compensation it needs.


Thats about the simplest explanation i could find as to why our current intonation methods only get half the job done. I've said it many times before that the earvana system isnt a complete cure, but it is a sizeable step towards it.


Thats a bit wordy for one as simple as myself. Do I understand correctly that outside of open chords there is little to any benifit in using bone?

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