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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:01 am
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Ceri wrote:
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CV....you guys are the greatest....I really need to start hanging around professional musicians...


BigJay, it would be dishonest of us to let you continue under this misapprehension any longer. Whilst there really are some professional musicians here and many more of us who gig and sometimes get paid for it, none of us are actually writing "Professional Musician" under our name.

That is done for us by the Forum's software, based upon how many posts we've done. You will notice that it no longer says "Hobbyist" beneath your name - ever since your 100th post.

Just don't want you to feel anyone's pretending to be something they're not...

Cheers - C

same here i toured the east cost of the usa for many years.
when my son was born 4 years ago i wanted to be a hands on
dad. so i retired. never made the big time like i stated befor but
i did well enough to were i dont need to work and spend time
with my son. i do play at home and somtimes with my other musician friends. i love playing and i'll play up until my last breath. but i dont
miss the touring part at all. so i guess you would say i'm a pro.


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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:02 am
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Hey Jay,
I also think that for the most part we agree on most of these issues to some degree or other and that for the most part we're probably both splitting hairs here over definitions....which is really neither here nor there. There are a couple of small points though that I would like to address (or re-address)...

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Wow, Jim. Remind me never to comment on anything you say ever again.


Dude...I'm sorry I made you feel that way. To me part of the wonderful thing about a "public forum" is it's ability to allow people to express their own opinions and to simply debate issues such as this...which obviously there's some highly debatable issues here. I honestly haven't taken any personal offense to most of what you have written, I just have some differing opinions. I also had the time this morning to sit down and be long winded with those opinions. Please don't take any offense to them though...they are, as always, just my own personal opinions.


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Im not a lawyer and I doubt you are. So neither of us is really qualified to discuss either of these issues truly credibly. However, I did look up a definition of "made" and will concede to you that, based on that definition, I believe "Made in the USA" could be defined to mean "assembled in the USA", even if the assembled parts are foreign manufactured. So maybe the Hwy1 buyers should have known better and maybe they shouldnt feel misled by the "Made in the USA" logo Fender uses.


Thank you for the concession there. The only thing that I will add is that I truly believe that an "informed" consumer without any particular bias in regards to the origin of a product is likely to make better purchases regardless of what they are purchasing.

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But im no longer concerned about that and I dont intend to allow my ego and pride to drive me to respond to your lengthy essay and veiled attack. I am more concerned about you because you seem like a good guy.


Please know that my "essay" (and I will admit that it was certainly rather long) was not intended as a "veiled attack" and again I am truly sorry that you took it as such. Again, I had the time, I had some strong opinions on this and I simply expressed them. Please know that it really wasn't personal...if I were being personal or trying to attack you, you would most likely know the difference.



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Jim....you appear to have some significant tension in your life and, in my opinion, are going way too far out of your way to prove something that is neither provable, nor important to us or that affects our lives. You seem to be offended by my comments, when in fact, we agree on almost everything discussed here.


Again dude, no offense was really taken. I was just providing some counter-point and my own opinions based on what I read in your own post.

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So please go back to your bill collector problems, your real problems, and stop drinking so much coffee, looking for a fight that doesnt exist.


Ok...I will admit that that statement could also be taken as a "veiled attack" but I don't think it was really intended as such. While I will freely admit that I -do- have several issues going on in my life right now...and that some of those are rather serious and that they could be affecting my opinions, attitude and judgement, I really don't believe that is the case. Please know that first and foremost, I -am- simply a long winded and rather talkative invidual (and yes...I talk the same way I type) and that I am often a person of strong opinions and convictions. I'm also a very detail oriented invididual...to me the "details are everything" and "if you can't say what you mean, you can never mean what you say".

In addition to this while I do try to make my own opinions based on my own experiences, I will also admit that I'm very anti-conformist (sorry...not sure if that's exactly the right word there)...if the crowd is moving in one direction, I typically move the other way. If -everyone- is wearing black, you can usually bet that I'll be wearing something in a bright purple paisley...it's simply my nature. I'm also typically a rather blunt individual...I simply speak my mind. These things are simply a part of who I am regardless of any personal issues that I may be experiencing at any given time.

I wasn't trying to "pick a fight" per say as simply debate a few issues...and I do enjoy a good debate as I have with this one. I don't think I took nearly as much offense to anything you said as you felt I did and apparently took towards mine and for that I am again truly sorry...it was not my intent. I think my points are valid and have been all along but they are again just my opinions and it's up to others to decide if either of our words bear any weight at all. We're just a couple of guys sitting here yakking away on an internet forum in any case.

Please accept my most sincere apologies and understand that none of this was meant as a personal attack in any way...it's simply my way of looking at things and the way that I express my opinions. Also please know that at this point I will simply consider the matter closed. I think we've both clearly stated our opinions and the rest of the good folks on this forum can take them for what they're worth.

Peace dude,
Jim

(BTW...I should also probably mention that I type between 70 and 80 words a minute...it probably takes me less time to type these things than it does for most folks to read them :D)


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Seeing as though we are getting extremely technical here let me remind all of you "I don't want any guitar that wasn't made in the U.S." guys of this:

I have been doing Genealogy for over 10 years and have found that unless you are Native American (and even this is questionable) no one in the U.S. is completely American made. Our DNA has been handed down from generation to generation from people that were from countries other than the U.S.

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CAFeathers wrote:
Seeing as though we are getting extremely technical here let me remind all of you "I don't want any guitar that wasn't made in the U.S." guys of this:

I have been doing Genealogy for over 10 years and have found that unless you are Native American (and even this is questionable) no one in the U.S. is completely American made. Our DNA has been handed down from generation to generation from people that were from countries other than the U.S.

Some of us longer then other s! Remember the Bedford connection my Dads familys been here since well before 1720's by way of of Aulenback and Rushberg Rhineland. In fact Johann and Wife Anna were killed in a Indian raid in Berks county according to Bedford Historic society thats eight generations ago.

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:56 am
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BigJay wrote:
You know, lomitus, I think you and I are much alike, except that I dont currently have bill collectors calling.

Maybe thats why Im not sure if I like you??? Kidding...

Good luck.


Actually, it's only one bill collector calling...and they've been bugging me on and off for about 4 years now. I'm either waiting for the statute of limitations to run out or for them to simply press the issue in court to give me a reason to file bankruptcy and make the "whole problem go away", LOL! Sorry if that sounds cheap and pathetic but there it is. I just don't get why they have to call at 8:30 in the morning...don't they know that I'm all comfy and cozy in my bed trying to stay warm on this cold winter day here in Ohio? Bloody inconsiderate of them if you ask me...it would be so much easier to ignore their phone calls later in the afternoon when my eyes are actually open! LOL!!!

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:57 am
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BigJay wrote:
LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT>>>>>>

The discussion topic has evolved along the following path...

1) Is the Hwy1 100% manufactured in the USA or only assembled there?
2) Is it misleading for Fender to represent it as MADE IN THE USA, when its actually only assembled in the USA?
3) Should a consumer fully recognize that MADE IN THE USA doesnt imply that all component parts are manufactured in the USA?
4) Are foreign manufactured components inferior to USA manufactured?
5) Are foreign manufactured components "bad"?

Isnt it funny how this happens? Those of us who have participated from the beginning (or close to it) end up arguing with people who chime in later and offer an opinion about something thats irrelevant to the original question and discussion.

So, I'll change the subject one more time.....

IS THE 2007 MIM Deluxe Player Strat a good guitar or not??????


If it says "Fender" on the headstock you are buying a quality instrument no matter where it was made.

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cvilleira wrote:
CAFeathers wrote:
Seeing as though we are getting extremely technical here let me remind all of you "I don't want any guitar that wasn't made in the U.S." guys of this:

I have been doing Genealogy for over 10 years and have found that unless you are Native American (and even this is questionable) no one in the U.S. is completely American made. Our DNA has been handed down from generation to generation from people that were from countries other than the U.S.

Some of us longer then other s! Remember the Bedford connection my Dads familys been here since well before 1720's by way of of Aulenback and Rushberg Rhineland. In fact Johann and Wife Anna were killed in a Indian raid in Berks county according to Bedford Historic society thats eight generations ago.


Do a look up of "Fort Fetter", that's my family.

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:16 pm
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BigJay wrote:
LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT>>>>>>

The discussion topic has evolved along the following path...

1) Is the Hwy1 100% manufactured in the USA or only assembled there?
2) Is it misleading for Fender to represent it as MADE IN THE USA, when its actually only assembled in the USA?
3) Should a consumer fully recognize that MADE IN THE USA doesnt imply that all component parts are manufactured in the USA?
4) Are foreign manufactured components inferior to USA manufactured?
5) Are foreign manufactured components "bad"?

Isnt it funny how this happens? Those of us who have participated from the beginning (or close to it) end up arguing with people who chime in later and offer an opinion about something thats irrelevant to the original question and discussion.

So, I'll change the subject one more time.....

IS THE 2007 MIM Deluxe Player Strat a good guitar or not??????


Answer to 1. Yes 80 to 85%
2. FTC. says no as long as most parts and labor are U.S.
3. Yes , With all info available today.
4. No , But there is more chance of there being bad regulations
in the manufacturing process and quality control in the
items. Because of this you do find more inferior products.
5. No not by a rule but more chance of being so.

And yes the one time I played a MIM Deluxe Player it was not bad but not good enough for me to buy.

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:28 pm
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CAFeathers wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
CAFeathers wrote:
Seeing as though we are getting extremely technical here let me remind all of you "I don't want any guitar that wasn't made in the U.S." guys of this:

I have been doing Genealogy for over 10 years and have found that unless you are Native American (and even this is questionable) no one in the U.S. is completely American made. Our DNA has been handed down from generation to generation from people that were from countries other than the U.S.

Some of us longer then other s! Remember the Bedford connection my Dads familys been here since well before 1720's by way of of Aulenback and Rushberg Rhineland. In fact Johann and Wife Anna were killed in a Indian raid in Berks county according to Bedford Historic society thats eight generations ago.


Do a look up of "Fort Fetter", that's my family.

Yes I did that the last time we spoke. Our familys go way back. I have been able to get My way greats Grand Fathers Revolutionary war Records and have photographed Family graves from going back to the 1750,s Also have other Great' muster in and muster out records from the Civil War..

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CAFeathers wrote:
BigJay wrote:
LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT>>>>>>

The discussion topic has evolved along the following path...

1) Is the Hwy1 100% manufactured in the USA or only assembled there?
2) Is it misleading for Fender to represent it as MADE IN THE USA, when its actually only assembled in the USA?
3) Should a consumer fully recognize that MADE IN THE USA doesnt imply that all component parts are manufactured in the USA?
4) Are foreign manufactured components inferior to USA manufactured?
5) Are foreign manufactured components "bad"?

Isnt it funny how this happens? Those of us who have participated from the beginning (or close to it) end up arguing with people who chime in later and offer an opinion about something thats irrelevant to the original question and discussion.

So, I'll change the subject one more time.....

IS THE 2007 MIM Deluxe Player Strat a good guitar or not??????


If it says "Fender" on the headstock you are buying a quality instrument no matter where it was made.


Those STARCASTERS say fender on the headstock too dont they? :lol:


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