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Post subject: highway 1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:24 am
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Even the ball ends of Fender strings (made in the mexico factory) are outsourced to Germany.

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nikininja wrote:
Even the ball ends of Fender strings (made in the mexico factory) are outsourced to Germany.


And the number of threads asking about upgrading to those Fender/Schaller locking tuners...

And where's all that rosewood coming from?

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:49 am
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Big Jay,
Thanks for the reply, i do think the blurb for the highways are misleading, if it says made in the usa , i would take that as the whole guitar , i could be wrong with that expectaion and so it seems,

Thats my moan of today

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:11 pm
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Ceri wrote:
To be fair, this official Fender video (which alwaysstrat pointed us towards) gives a pretty unequivocal impression that the Highway One is a USA built guitar. As it largely is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqSYDHNpAx8

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Ah, I see. But there is trickery all over. That's the same as Chrysler trying to get "american loyalty" by selling their "american cars" built in Canada, or Ford from Canada and Mexico, when some Hondas and Mazdas are built not far from my house, by american famlies.

Looks like guitars are no different then.


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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:19 pm
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Specificaly which parts of the highway1 are MIA and which aren't. Also is there any solid evidence like a fender release that states they aren't american. I've zero experience with the guitar.

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BigJay wrote:

Flplayer....to your point, your personal preferences are as valid as anyone elses. Of course, if one is perfectly happy with the MIM or MIJ or MI?, they should stick with it. At the same time, what makes people happy may be different than what makes you happy. So, it may not be fair for you to criticize the discussion of the differences and someones preference for one or the other while you acknowledge that there is a significant difference between the MIM and the MIJs. Its like saying that someone is wrong for prefering one that is higher quality or made in america. They arent wrong, but they arent more right than you either.

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Hi BigJay,

I guess I was not very clear. My point was exactly what you are stating. It does not matter where a guitar is made or where its parts come from. If you are happy with it then it is a good thing. That is why I expressed frustration at yet another thread debatng MIM vs MIA. Sorry if I offended anyone.

Hey, I've see pictures of your guitar building skills. Very nice. Maybe we should start a MBJ (Made By Jay) vs MIA thread. :D


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without any solid proof of manufacture of the neck and body being USA made then you have to conclude they are MIA. The pots pickups trem tuners and nut can all be replaced should they be found to be not to your liking. Unless they have made on mars or wherever stamped on them you must conclude they are mia. whether they look the same as a mim's parts or not. Its entirely feasible that the parts are still mia. Afterall parts filter down to mexico japan and korea from mia guitars as new products become available. That doesnt mean that the mia plant cant make em anymore. Unless someone comes up with cast iron proof, i.e a Made in stamp or some fender employee saying 'these parts are made in outer mongolia' i wont believe it.

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BigJay wrote:
This thread is getting way too philisophical and I might be splitting hairs, but "made in America" could imply North America, Central America or South America.

"Made in the USA" is much more explicit and, if parts of the Hwy1 were in fact made outside the USA, even if they were assembled in the USA, its still misleading and Fender should disclose that.

Conversely, I cant honestly say that I know what parts are alledged to be manufactured outside the USA. I had heard that from so many sources that I assumed it to be true. I recall even reading about it in guitar reviews.

Fender has done this before, of course. The "California Edition" Strat was marketed as "made in the USA", when it was really only finished in the USA. That guitar was essentialy a Deluxe with TexMex pups.

jay like i said before she starts trouble were ever she go's.
USA or Mexico i still prefer the highway one over the new american standard any day and every time.


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nikininja wrote:
without any solid proof of manufacture of the neck and body being USA made then you have to conclude they are MIA. The pots pickups trem tuners and nut can all be replaced should they be found to be not to your liking. Unless they have made on mars or wherever stamped on them you must conclude they are mia. whether they look the same as a mim's parts or not. Its entirely feasible that the parts are still mia. Afterall parts filter down to mexico japan and korea from mia guitars as new products become available. That doesnt mean that the mia plant cant make em anymore. Unless someone comes up with cast iron proof, i.e a Made in stamp or some fender employee saying 'these parts are made in outer mongolia' i wont believe it.


On that, does anyone know if Fender actually make any of the metal parts they use? We know for sure that over the decades many tuners and some bridges have been outsourced, including to overseas manufacturers (Schaller for example). Probably to Japanese companies too.

Casting, stamping and coating metal parts is specialised work requiring a lot of plant. Do Fender do any of that in house? (Strings we know about...)

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Ceri wrote:
nikininja wrote:
without any solid proof of manufacture of the neck and body being USA made then you have to conclude they are MIA. The pots pickups trem tuners and nut can all be replaced should they be found to be not to your liking. Unless they have made on mars or wherever stamped on them you must conclude they are mia. whether they look the same as a mim's parts or not. Its entirely feasible that the parts are still mia. Afterall parts filter down to mexico japan and korea from mia guitars as new products become available. That doesnt mean that the mia plant cant make em anymore. Unless someone comes up with cast iron proof, i.e a Made in stamp or some fender employee saying 'these parts are made in outer mongolia' i wont believe it.


On that, does anyone know if Fender actually make any of the metal parts they use? We know for sure that over the decades many tuners and some bridges have been outsourced, including to overseas manufacturers (Schaller for example). Probably to Japanese companies too.

Casting, stamping and coating metal parts is specialised work requiring a lot of plant. Do Fender do any of that in house? (Strings we know about...)

Cheers - C


Parts such as Tuners, Bridges, Pots, Switches, Jacks, Jack plates, Neck plates, etc. used by most if not all Guitar companies are made overseas to specific specs from each Guitar company.
If a product is put together in the U.S. from a pile of parts it is considered made in the U.S. it doesn't matter where the parts are made.
Aftermarket replacement parts are made at the same plants overseas, but not to the exact Guitar company specs.

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CAFeathers wrote:
Parts such as Tuners, Bridges, Pots, Switches, Jacks, Jack plates, Neck plates, etc. used by most if not all Guitar companies are made overseas to specific specs from each Guitar company.
If a product is put together in the U.S. from a pile of parts it is considered made in the U.S. it doesn't matter where the parts are made.
Aftermarket replacement parts are made at the same plants overseas, but not to the exact Guitar company specs.


Which, I would have thought, concludes the debate. It is utterly legitimate for the Highway One guitar to be labelled "Made in USA".

Good enough for me!

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