what's the difference between polyester and urethane?
are they both near-impossible to wear out naturally?

polyester tends to go on a lot thicker although it doesnt have to.

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No no and no

Hello JTlee9153,

Urethane is more bulletproof than polyester.
Nitrocellulose can be painted over polyester
but doesn't bond well wth urethanes.

Cheers.

Really? I didn't klnow that.

I do know that a lot of manufacturers, including Martin and PRS, do a layer of vinyl sealer before putting on either a nitro or urethane finish. I don't know whether Fender use vinyl. Likely they do, though.

BTW, JTLee9153: a lot of people get confused by the term poly, not realising that polyester and polyurethane are very different finishes. And there's more misunderstanding because we tend to abreviate nitrocellulose to nitro, where auto finishers seem to call it cellulose and sometimes appear not even to know what that is short for (in my experience).

It's a world of bewilderness...!

Cheers - C

does that mean my clapton strat wont wear until its like 50 years old? xD

Well, my 15 year old Strat still looks almost exactly the way it did when I bought it. in fact aside from a couple dings on the back of the neck, the body looks brand new when I polish it up. And this guitar got dropped off stage once.

Well, my 15 year old Strat still looks almost exactly the way it did when I bought it. in fact aside from a couple dings on the back of the neck, the body looks brand new when I polish it up. And this guitar got dropped off stage once.(Buy straplocks folks!!)

I'm looking at this schaller straplock, but it looks like the strap button could slide right out or something...is this secure?

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/ ... sku=360389

I think these are the Schaller/Fender ones. i use those, but I bought em at a shop:

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/ ... sku=420534

Check and make sure the screw that is in the pack is the same as the one in oyur guitar, they seem to vary a bit, so you don't want to put in a narrower screw, or it will eventually strip.

Hello All,

Most of Fender guitars are primed with
a sealer called Fullerplast which is
a polyester product.

Cheers.

PS I have used Polyester on
numerous projects.

Hi Mr Bill: Fullerplast is polyester based is it? Good - thank you.



I'm sure itching to hear more about that!

Cheers - C

Maybe someone with better chemical knowledge will be able to sort this list out:

O'BRIEN CORP -- GLOSS FULLERPLAST STD LINE, 353-00 -- 8010-00N063521

===================== Product Identification =====================

Product ID:GLOSS FULLERPLAST STD LINE, 353-00
MSDS Date:03/28/1995
FSC:8010
NIIN:00N063521
MSDS Number: CDZNP
=== Responsible Party ===
Company Name:O'BRIEN CORP
Address:450 E GRAND AVE
City:SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO
State:CA
ZIP:94080
Country:US
Info Phone Num:415-761-2300
Emergency Phone Num:800-424-9300 (CHEMTREC)
CAGE:FO983
=== Contractor Identification ===
Company Name:O BRIEN CORPORATION
Address:450 E GRAND AVE
Box:City:SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO
State:CA
ZIP:94080-6207
Country:US
CAGE:72556
Company Name:O'BRIEN CORP
Address:450 EAST GRAND AVE
City:SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO
State:CA
ZIP:94080
Phone:(415) 761-2300
CAGE:FO983

============= Composition/Information on Ingredients =============

Ingred Name:LIGROINE; (VM & P NAPHTHA) VP: 15
CAS:8032-32-4
RTECS #:OI6180000
Fraction by Wt: 10%
OSHA PEL:300 PPM
ACGIH TLV:300 PPM

Ingred Name:ISOBUTYL ALCOHOL; (ISOBUTANOL) (CERCLA). VP: 8.8. LD50:
(ORAL) 2460 MG/KG.
CAS:78-83-1
RTECS #:NP9625000
Fraction by Wt: 15%
OSHA PEL:100 PPM
ACGIH TLV:50 PPM
EPA Rpt Qty:5000 LBS
DOT Rpt Qty:5000 LBS

Ingred Name:TOLUENE (SARA 313) (CERCLA). VP: 23. LD50: (ORAL) 5000
MG/KG.
CAS:108-88-3
RTECS #:XS5250000
Fraction by Wt: 10%
OSHA PEL:200 PPM
ACGIH TLV:50 PPM, S
EPA Rpt Qty:1000 LBS
DOT Rpt Qty:1000 LBS

Ingred Name:XYLENE (SARA 313) (CERCLA). VP: 6. LD50: (ORAL, RAT)
4300.
CAS:1330-20-7
RTECS #:ZE2100000
Fraction by Wt: <5%
OSHA PEL:100 PPM
ACGIH TLV:100 PPM; 150 STEL
EPA Rpt Qty:1000 LBS
DOT Rpt Qty:1000 LBS

Ingred Name:ACETIC ACID, BUTYL ESTER; (N-BUTYL ACETATE) (CERCLA). VP:
15. LD50: (ORAL, RAT) 1400 MG/KG.
CAS:123-86-4
RTECS #:AF7350000
Fraction by Wt: <5%
OSHA PEL:150 PPM
ACGIH TLV:150 PPM; 200 STEL
EPA Rpt Qty:5000 LBS
DOT Rpt Qty:5000 LBS

Ingred Name:BUTYL ALCOHOL; (N-BUTANOL) (SARA 313) (CERCLA). VP: 4.40.
LD50: (ORAL, RAT) 790 MG/KG.
CAS:71-36-3
RTECS #:EO1400000
Fraction by Wt: 10%
OSHA PEL:100 PPM
ACGIH TLV:50 PPM, S, C
EPA Rpt Qty:5000 LBS
DOT Rpt Qty:5000 LBS

Ingred Name:VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUND: 517.12 G/L
RTECS #:9999999VO
OSHA PEL:N/K
ACGIH TLV:N/K

Ingred Name:SUPDAT: SUFFICIENT TO PRDCE SEV POIS. INHAL:MAY CAUSE
UNSPECIFIED NASAL & RESP SYS EFTS. MILD ALLERGEN. EYE:SEV (ING 9)
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:ING 8:IRRITANT. SKIN:IRRIT, MAY CAUSE DERM. N-BUTANOL:
INHAL:EXPOS TO 50PPM MAY CAUSE IRRIT TO NOSE & MUC MEMBS.(ING 10)
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:ING 9: AT 50-200PPM LACRIM, HDCH, NARC EFTS & CNS DEPRESS
MAY OCCUR. EYE:SEV IRRITANT. SKIN:ABSORBED THRU SKIN. (ING 11)
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:ING 10: PRLNGD/RPTD CNTCT MAY CAUSE DERM. INGEST:CAUSES
IRRIT TO MOUTH, THROAT & GI TRACT W/ACUTE CNS DEPRESS; (ING 12)
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:ING 11: HDCH, DIZZ, CONFUSN, NAUS, VOMIT, ABDOM PAIN,
DIARR, LOSS OF CONSCIOUSNESS OR COMA. INHAL:ANESTH. IRRIT (ING 13)
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:ING 12:OF RESP TRACT & ACUTE NERVOUS SYS DEPRESS; HDCH,
DIZZ, STAG GAIT, CONFUSION, UNCON OR COMA. EYE:CAN CAUSE(ING 14)
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:ING 13:SEV IRRIT, BLURRED VISION. SKIN:IRRIT. PRLNGD/RPTD
CNTCT MAY RSLT IN DERM. NOTICE:RPTS HAVE ASSOC LG (ING 15)
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:ING 14:SINGLE OVEREXPS TO SOLVS W/KIDNEY, LIVER & LUNG DMG.
CHRONIC:TOLUENE APPEARS ON THE NAVY LIST OF OCCUP (ING 16)
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:ING 15:CHEM REPRO HAZS. SEEK CONSULTATION FROM APPROP HLTH
PROFESSIONALS CONCERNING LATEST HAZ LIST INFO & SAFE (ING 17)
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:ING 16: HNDLG & EXPOS INFO . VM&P NAPHTHA:OCCUP EXPOS TO
SOLVS IS ASSOC W/PERM BRAIN & NERVOUS SYS DMG. (ING 18)
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:ING 17: TOLUENE/XYLENE:BLOOD TOXIN. XYLENE DAMAGES HEART IN
ANIMALS, EMBRYOTOX EFTS IN RATS. SYMPS RESEMBLE (ING 19)
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:ING 18: ACUTE OVEREXP. N-BUTYL ACETATE:KIDNEY & LIVER DMG
IN ANIMALS. N-BUTANOL:HEARING LOSS. NOTICE:RPTS ASSOC (ING 20)
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:ING 19: PRLNGD & RPTD OCCUP OVEREXP TO SOLVS W/PERM BRAIN &
CNS DMG. INTENTIONAL MISUSE BY DELIB CONC & INHAL (ING 21)
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:ING 20: CONTENTS MAY BE HARMFUL/FATAL. CHRONIC EXPOS SHOWN
TO CAUSE DMG TO KIDNEYS, LIVER, LUNGS, BLOOD CELLS, (ING 22)
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:ING 21: BLOOD PRODUCING ORGANS (MARROW), BLOOD STORING
ORGAN (SPLEEN) & PERIPHERAL NERVOUS SYSTEM.
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:RESP PROT: PRESENT. CAREFULLY FOLLOW RESPIRATOR
MANUFACTURER'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR USE.
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:FIRST AID PROC: WHILE FLUSHING EYES, SEND FOR MED
ASSISTANCE. SKIN: WIPE OFF W/RAG & WASH THOROUGHLY W/SOAP & WATER.
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

Ingred Name:EYE PROT: & FULL LENGTH FACESHIELD .
RTECS #:9999999ZZ

===================== Hazards Identification =====================

LD50 LC50 Mixture:SEE INGREDIENTS
Routes of Entry: Inhalation:YES Skin:YES Ingestion:YES
Reports of Carcinogenicity:NTP:NO IARC:NO OSHA:NO
Health Hazards Acute and Chronic:ACUTE: VM&P NAPHTHA: INGEST:MAY CAUSE
DIGEST TRACT IRRIT. ASPIR HAZ; DO NOT INDUCE VOMIT IF SWALLOWED.
INHAL:MAY CAUSE NOSE & THROAT IRRIT, HDCH, DIZZ, NAUS & NARCOSIS.
EYE:IRRIT. SKIN:IRRIT & DERM. I SOBUTANOL: INGEST:GI TRACT IRRIT.
MAY CAUSE NAUS, DIZZ, HDCH, STUPOR & CNS DEPRESS. INHAL:EXPOS TO
(EFTS OF OVEREXP)
Explanation of Carcinogenicity:NOT RELEVANT
Effects of Overexposure:HLTH HAZ: HIGH VAP LEVELS MAY RSLT IN SYMPS
SIMILAR TO INGEST. EYE:MAY CAUSE SEV IRREVERSIBLE DMG. SKIN:MAY BE
ABSORBED IN TOX AMTS. IRRITANT. TOLUENE: INGEST:ASPIR INTO LUNGS
DUE TO VOMIT CAN CAUSE C HEM PNEUMIT; CAN BE FATAL. XYLENE:
INGEST:ONE/MORE OZ MAY BE FATAL. ASPIR CAN BE HAZ. INHAL:MAY RSLT
IN FLUSHING(SUPDAT)
Medical Cond Aggravated by Exposure:RESPIRATORY DISORDERS,
METHYLHIPPURIC ACIDS IN URINE, SKIN CONDITIONS.

======================= First Aid Measures =======================

First Aid:INGEST: DRINK 1 OR 2 GLASSES OF WATER TO DILUTE. KEEP WARM,
QUIET & GET MED ATTN IMMED. DECISION TO INDUCE VOMIT MUST BE BASED
ON ADVICE OF MD OR POIS CTL CTR. NEVER GIVE ANYTHING BY MOUTH TO
UNCON PE RSON. INHAL: REMOVE FROM AREA TO FRESH AIR. RESTORE BRTHG.
CONSULT MD. EYE: IMMED BEGIN FLUSHING W/COOL WATER, OCCASNLY
LIFTING LIDS TO ENSURE THOROUGH RINSING. CONTINUE FOR AT LST 15
MIN. (ING 24)

===================== Fire Fighting Measures =====================

Flash Point:59.0F,15.0C
Lower Limits:1.00%
Extinguishing Media:FOAM, CARBON DIOXIDE, DRY CHEMICAL, WATER FOG.
Fire Fighting Procedures:USE NIOSH APPRVD SCBA & FULL PROT EQUIP. WATER
MAY BE USED TO COOL CLSD CNTNRS TO PVNT PRESS BUILD-UP & POSS
AUTOIGNIT/EXPLO WHEN EXPOSED TO EXTREME HEAT.
Unusual Fire/Explosion Hazard:KEEP CNTNRS TIGHTLY CLSD. ISOLATE FROM
HEAT, SPKS, FLAME & ELEC EQUIP. CLSD CNTNRS MAY EXPLODE WHEN EXPOS
TO EXTREME HEAT. APPLICATN TO HOT SURFS REQS (SUPDAT)

================== Accidental Release Measures ==================

Spill Release Procedures:REMOVE SOURCES OF IGNITION. SOAK UP AND REMOVE
WITH INERT ABSORBENT MATERIAL WITH NON-SPARKING TOOLS. PROVIDE
ADEQUATE VENTILATION. USE NIOSH APPROVED VAPOR RESPIRATOR.
Neutralizing Agent:NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.

====================== Handling and Storage ======================

Handling and Storage Precautions:STORE UPRIGHT IN SEALED CONTAINERS AND
USE AWAY FROM HIGH TEMPERATURE, SPARKS AND FLAME. AVOID PROLONGED
CONTACT WITH SKIN.
Other Precautions:DO NOT INGEST. KEEP CONTAINER TIGHTLY SEALED WHEN NOT
IN USE. KEEP OUT OF THE REACH OF CHILDREN.

============= Exposure Controls/Personal Protection =============

Respiratory Protection:USE NIOSH APPRVD PROPERLY FITTED MECH RESP OR
MASK TO AVOID BRTHG VAP/SPRAY MIST DURING MIXING, SPRAYING,
APPLICATN OR CURING. USE TC 19C NIOSH APPRVD PROPERLY FITTED POS
AIR SUPPLIED RESP IN CONFINED AREAS OR WHEN OVERSPRAY IS (ING 23)
Ventilation:VENT IN VOL & PATTERN TO KEEP AIR CONTAM CONC BELOW APPLIC
OSHA PEL/ACGIH TLV LIMIT. CNTCT NEHC FOR MORE INFO .
Protective Gloves:SYNTHETIC RUBBER GLOVES.
Eye Protection:ANSI APPRVD CHEM WORKERS GOGGS (ING 25)
Other Protective Equipment:ANSI APPROVED EYE WASH & DELUGE SHOWER .
PROTECTIVE OVERALLS RECOMMENDED.
Work Hygienic Practices:REMOVE AND WASH CONTAMINATED CLOTHING. DISCARD
CONTAMINATED SHOES.
Supplemental Safety and Health
EXPLO HAZ: SPEC PRECS. DURING EMER CNDTNS, OVEREXP TO DECOMP PRODS MAY
CAUSE HLTH HAZ. OBTAIN MED ATTN. EFTS OF OVEREXP: OF FACE, DIZZ,
DISTURBED VISION, SALIVATION, CNS DEPRESS, CARD STRESS & COMA. I
RRIT TO SKIN & EYES. N-BUTYL ACETATE: INGEST:MOUTH & DIGEST TRACT
IRRIT & MAY CAUSE CNS DEPRESS. ONE OZ MAY BE (ING

================== Physical/Chemical Properties ==================

Boiling Pt:B.P. Text:>225F,>107C
Vapor Pres:SEE INGS
Vapor Density:HVR/AIR
Spec Gravity:0.94
Evaporation Rate & Reference:SLOWER THAN ETHER
Appearance and Odor:NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
Percent Volatiles by Volume:62.65

================= Stability and Reactivity Data =================

Stability Indicator/Materials to Avoid:YES
STRONG OXIDIZERS, ACIDS, BASES.
Stability Condition to Avoid:HIGH TEMPERATURE.
Hazardous Decomposition Products:MAY PRODUCE FUMES WHEN HEATED TO
DECOMPOSITION. FUMES MAY CONTAIN CO, CO*2 AND NO*2.

==================== Disposal Considerations ====================

Waste Disposal Methods:DISPOSE IN SEALED METAL CONTAINER AWAY FROM HEAT
AND FLAME IN ACCORDANCE WITH LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
DO NOT INCINERATE CLOSED CONTAINERS.

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