Locking tuners

rkreisher · **Posted:** Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:30 am

I am looking at buying the Fender Schaller Locking Tuners for my HWY 1 Stratocaster. I have problems with my G string going out of tune only when I use my tremelo bar. I do not use it much, but everytime I do I have to tune down the G string back to G. Also if I bend that string too much it goes out a little. My other strings all return back to the correct positions.

Are the Fender Schaller locking tuners good? Would they help me correct this problem? Are they hard to instal myself or should I trust it to my local luthier?

Mr Bill · **Posted:** Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:43 am

Hello Rkreisher,

Locking tuners are great.
Easy to install ,You can do it.
Will it cure your problem ?
Maybe.
Make sure nut slot width is correct
for that string,
not binding, not too wide.
Use a pencil and get some of the
graphite in the nut and saddle slots.

Cheers

belphedeus · **Joined:** Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:59 am **Posts:** 406

I'm not sure which year are your HWY1 are made but i've installed the Fender "F" Schaller locking tuners on the '07 models and they fit perfectly.
I hope we're talking of the same tuners....are these the one's with the "F" logo at the thumbscrew?Cos these tuners have 2 point anchorpoint and it should fit the neck if your HWY1 are like the picture below...

Arcarix · **Joined:** Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:20 am **Posts:** 111

belphedeus is correct, locking tuners are good, but that is probably not where the problem is. Most likely it is a tight nut slot. Unless you have worked on nuts before do not attempt to recut the slot yourself, and graphite is only a temporary fix for the problem. Take it to a tech, either from the store you bought this from, or one in your area. You need to know what string gauge you are using, and if you plan to keep using that string gauge, so the tech can cut the slot to the proper width. It's a cheap job, but very important to have done correctly.

Ceri · **Posted:** Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:52 am

I agree with Arcarix. Lockers are good, especially those Schallers. But it may well not be the source of your problem, unless you are putting too many winds on your string posts at the moment, which can cause slippage and tuning issues. Locking machines help with this to the extent that you shouldn't end up with more than half a wind or so on each post.

Incidentally, the G string is always more susceptible to tuning problems than any of the others, even if you're not bending on it. I wonder why that is? What's the story with G strings?

(And that's not meant as a comedy question... :roll:

)

Happy New Year - C

ronbeeglejr · **Posted:** Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:13 pm

Have to agree with everyone else here. It's most likely a problem with the nut or even the saddle. Could be the string tree too, you never know. I've used the regular old Kluson vintage tuners on all my strats since my first one in '93. After proper setup and tweaking I've never had a problem and I beat the hell out of my tremolos.

rkreisher · **Posted:** Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:05 pm

Thanks all.

Mine is an '07 HWY 1, so that is good that they'll fit without too much fuss. I might be putting too many winds on it, but none of my other strings go out of tune (as easily and they are wound the same way). I try not to put more than three winds around the posts. The nut looks good, but I'll have my guy take a look at it if the tuners don't correct the problem. I'll double check the string tree, but I do not think it is the problem, but thanks for the suggestion. It might have a bur a haven't felt.

windwalker9649 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:44 am

IMO locking tuners are the only way to go. They make it sooo much easier to chage strings, and hold a stable tuning much better. I think because you use such little string, it gives the string almost a "memory". When it goes out of tune a little, all I have to do it give the key a lil turn and it goes right back into tune, no fine adjustments needed. I had Schaller on my American Deluxe, and Sprezel on my Reissue, they both worked equally as well, though the Sprezel would hurt my fingers a little more due to the fact the wheel is a little narrower and sharper. The only drawback is in changing tunings. Because of the vice action od them, I think it weakens the top of the string where it meets the pole a little,causing the string to break when going back up after tuning down a half step.

rkreisher · **Posted:** Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:51 am

jeffo46 wrote:

Might I suggest changing your bridge saddles to Graph-Techs? I did that to my MIM and it made a huge difference.

I have been thinking about them. If the locking tuners do not do the trick, I was thinking of changing the saddles to the Graph-Techs.

rkreisher · **Posted:** Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:59 am

windwalker9649 wrote:

IMO locking tuners are the only way to go. They make it sooo much easier to chage strings, and hold a stable tuning much better. I think because you use such little string, it gives the string almost a "memory". When it goes out of tune a little, all I have to do it give the key a lil turn and it goes right back into tune, no fine adjustments needed. I had Schaller on my American Deluxe, and Sprezel on my Reissue, they both worked equally as well, though the Sprezel would hurt my fingers a little more due to the fact the wheel is a little narrower and sharper. The only drawback is in changing tunings. Because of the vice action od them, I think it weakens the top of the string where it meets the pole a little,causing the string to break when going back up after tuning down a half step.

I don't usually change my pitch when playing. I keep my guitar set to true E. Most of my previous guitars in the past had Floyd Rose Tremelos on them and just didn't like fiddling with unlocking to change the pitch. I am going with the Fender Schallers as the brand.

belphedeus · **Joined:** Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:59 am **Posts:** 406

rkreisher wrote:

I am going with the Fender Schallers as the brand.

Keep us posted when you change the machine heads and it goes mate....Gd luck!

Ceri · **Posted:** Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:04 pm

rkreisher wrote:

I might be putting too many winds on it, but none of my other strings go out of tune (as easily and they are wound the same way). I try not to put more than three winds around the posts.

Yeah, I should have added that from all I've read on this Forum it wouldn't occur to me that rkreisher doesn't know how to string his tuners properly. That gentleman clearly knows his eggs!

My comment was a general one for anyone out there just getting started at this stuff. There sometimes seems to be confusion about what locking tuners are for...

Personally, I think you have a case of the mysterious G-stringitus. Those Schallers may or may not help - but it's a fine upgrade in any case!

Good luck - C

dxdgenert · **Joined:** Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:52 pm **Posts:** 43

Go for it. I did the same exact thing with my Hwy 1 and haven't been out of tune for about three weeks. Granted, I'm doing dive bombs but I certainly couldn't have stayed in tune this long without them.

Synkronized · **Posted:** Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:03 pm

The schaller lockign tuners are GREAT Id suggest you to buy them AND also fix the nut because thats where the problem mainly is

rkreisher · **Posted:** Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:23 pm

The next time I take the sting off I'll look at the nut again. I haven't noticed anything before, but that doesn't mean that something didn't happen to it. Thanks.

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