nirvana definately inspired me to start playing guitar. My first song was heart shaped box. The main thing I learned from nirvana as a band is that you don't have to be fancy, technical, or professional, to make sounds that influence others. Kurts words/poems along with his rhythm guitar was good enuogh for me, Krist's bass line was just fine, and daves drumming was more than decent. What I'm gettin at is some of the best bands are those that work together. If each person can hold their own and contribute, WITH PASSION, then that is most likely good music. Kurts lyrics were vague, mysterious, but somehow explains how he relates to 'us' in our own problems. I see beauty in his vague lyrical fog.

Me being a nirvana fan, I can see myself spending 100k on a mustang kurdt used. But I would probably take a hendrix used wah pedal over the mustang....whatever makes YOU happy works

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And don't forget Dave Grohl. Dave is an awesome drummer. Have you ever really noticed his background vocals on the unplugged set? Awesome... And to think that was before we all knew what he was capable of leading the Foo Fighters. Speaking of Dave ... any one catch his live performance playing infront of the president last night on the the Kennedy Center Honors??

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tbh the whole smshed guitar thing really freaks me out that sad people would buy that crap! and i think he would just be laughing about the hole situation for people who resent him i can see wat u meen about unprofessionalism but the fact is he was the anti-guitar hero of the decade so for god sake stop rambling on a load of waffle we already know his falts but do u think he cared idont think he did and for people who listen to him for the music rather that all that commercail rubbish uv got more of a open mind and i think ull be the better of the ones that are judgemental

Alright, I have to say, this, along with every other NIRVANA/Kurt bashing post is just plain...dumb?. Okay, Kurt wasnt a virtouso, even he could admit that, but he wasn't bad. Listen to In Utero, some of his playing on there isn't half bad, it's just covered with a lot of heavy drums, feedback, screaming, and distortion. Nevermind was, essentially, a pop record. Do you expect face-melting solos on a pop record? No, you expect catchy rhythyms and lyrics you can sing along to. And since most anti-NIRVANA people don't go past Nevermind, they just take it as it is, because it's sadly their biggest record.

And alright, I'll admit, Kurt was a messed up dude. But think about it, a very very troubled childhood and teenage years, including drugs, sex, his parents divorcing, being isolated at school, alchohol, a sister who came out of the closet, it all adds up. He was destined to have a screwed up life (he DID marry Courtney ). And then there was the chronic stomach pains and pressures of stardom and the media, attacking him, his wife, his family, and his kid, who was taken from them for a while. Really, where do you think that can lead? I mean, obviously suicide is a wrong and stupid thing, but for some people, they don't see it and just want to get rid of their problems. Was it the right decision? Of course not, but you can't denounce a person for one stupid mistake, no matter how big. It's just with this one, he didn't have a chance to make up for it.

In the end, NIRVANA was a punk/grunge/alternative band, and to condemn Kurt for not being the next SRV or something is ridiculous.

Oh, and to comment on the actual thread , I do think it's pretty stupid to sell a smashed guitar for 100K, whether it's from Kurt or Pete Townshend.

P.S. For the record, no, I'm not some narrow-minded ten-year-old who found NIRVANA through Guitar hero or Rockband or something, and know those songs only, and think they're "cool" for liking "old" music or something.

Haha it's not stupid to sell it, it's stupid to buy it!!!

[quote="Lucy Brown"]:

I don't see this artist as having made a milestone contribution to the evolution of electric guitar playing in the same fashion as perhaps Belew Holdsworth, Van Halen, or Jimi Hendrix, to cite some examples.

Doc

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What about George Harrison, John Lennon, John Fogerty or Keith Richards? They aren't super lead guitarists like these guys you mentioned, but they helped write some of the greatest songs on guitar.

George harrison keith richards and john foggerty were equally on a par with clapton or hendrix albeit in bands with limited opportunities for the sonic exploration of cream and JHE. To mention cobain in the same category as lennon is a absolute insult. The beatles were THE groundbreaking band. Cobain was a musicaly illiterate junkie who did the world a favour by leaving.

Its a simple fact that hendrix and clapton wouldnt be around without the beatles. Aswell as musical influence the rise to fame of clapton and hendrix was pushed by harrison and mcartney. In the case of hendrix The stones were big instigators too and tried to get him away from mike jeffery as soon as he landed in the UK.

What did Kurt Cobain ever give us? .... courtney love

Sorry i just cant take cobain as a serious musician or songwriter. He did nothing that hadn't been done before.

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Obviously you have never seen John Fogerty live. He smokes! There is a reason he was listed number 40 in the Rolling Stone list of the Top 100 guitarists...

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My point was you don't have to be an acrobatic/change the evolution of guitar to make great songs. I just merely gave those as an example. Beatles vs. Nirvana are in a different catergory I know, but many listeners and critics too have compared Kurt's musical writing reminiscent to Lennon's. I agree about "he did nothing that hadn't been done before", meaning he spawned a new genre of rock and influenced a bunch of us just like the other bands did in other decades.

Fogerty does smoke live and I'm a big fan of his, but he isn't known for his lead work like EVH or Hendrix.

I dont see ho he started a genre when what he played was basicaly garage punk with depressing lyrics. Megacity5 and sonic youth both had a bigger impact. As i've said before nirvanah were the bay city rollers of alternative music. Just another sickly schmaltzy band for mtv to dominate the scene with. Cobains songwriting was completely incomparable to lennon's. As much as i dislike lennon, he had talent. His song structure was typical rock'n'roll. His use of melody was classical and harmony was abstract. When did cobain ever produce anything that remotely meets that criteria. Abstract melody and no harmony is a better description for his efforts.

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[quote="nikininja"][quote="morrissey"][quote="nikininja"]

Niki and I apparently internalize this in a fashion which is quite difficult to articulate. To put it simply:

There's nothing in the Nirvana/(Cobain and company)musicology to rival the run of Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, and Starkey (Starr) either collectively or individually in terms of work product and musicianship, nor is there anything in the musicianship of Cobain which set a milestone the likes of some of the players I cited in my earlier post.

Were we talking about a band like "Kiss" we certainly would be looking at a group of artists who took a new and unique concept in showmanship, and ran with it to an astoundingly successful outcome.

Where Cobain and Company are concerned, that dog won't hunt. Sorry, but they failed to stand illuminated by the same sun.

Doc

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Yes, and please dear God, let that be the last word, being as it was the best one.